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Deslah t1_iwsk4u0 wrote
Jersey Mike's just got done paying an assload of fines for this shit. The investigators will be pleased to know that they haven't learned their lesson.
Here's a press release about the previous fines:
https://www.dol.gov/newsroom/releases/whd/whd20220628-0
A newspaper article:
To file a complaint:
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/contact/complaints
You could also contact the reporter for that newspaper article:
Michael L. Diamond is a business reporter who has been writing about the New Jersey economy and health care industry for more than 20 years. He can be reached at mdiamond@gannettnj.com
Medical_Penalty_7305 t1_iwskakz wrote
Check the state website, you probably need to make a complaint there. In addition, most corporations have an employee hotline for these types of complaints. I assume you have an employee handbook. Check there. Finally, They have been fined before here in NJ.
fwork4real t1_iwsmwh7 wrote
r/antiwork
TodayTime8321 t1_iwsohpn wrote
This will sound like a joke but a labor dep rep in NJ is named John Bon Jovi and I spoke to him years ago for an old coworker. I don’t know if things have changed since covid but back then I called a number and got him directly. Really nice guy and takes issues seriously. Look up a directory to see if you can find him, he may still be working there.
GooseNYC t1_iwsol4m wrote
Better Business Bureau is not a government agency. It exists so businesses can say they "self police" with usually predictable results.
NJKbh899 t1_iwsp3v6 wrote
Thanks for clarifying.
kimribbean t1_iwssdpy wrote
Jersey mikes cannot be trusted the founders name isn’t even fucking Mike
DunebillyDave t1_iwsu3mz wrote
You've been working there for a year and have never had any kind of break in all that time? Why, in the name of God, would you keep working there after the first week? That's ridiculous.
weaselpoopcoffee1 t1_iwsu7eg wrote
I love how they advertise that they are a community minded business and then pull this shit. Sandwiches aren't even that good.
buhoo115 t1_iwsubxf wrote
I needed a job fast at the time and They were paying me 17$ an hour plus tips and that’s more than anywhere around here was paying to start
grilled_cheese1865 t1_iwsvujy wrote
This is a real life situation unlike anything that's ever been posted on that fake screenshot sub
Buzz_Bronski t1_iwswdcc wrote
Great stuff. You love to see it
jailguard81 t1_iwsxhra wrote
Wow what a bunch of scumbags. That’s crazy how they will just take money from you. That’s pretty illegal actually. And yes you are entitled to a break so u should either talk to corporate or talk to depart of labor of their illegal practices
jailguard81 t1_iwsxn02 wrote
That’s not bad at all actually. But you are still entitled to a lunch break and they cannot doc your pay. that’s illegal, don’t put up with that nonsense and report them. Tell your management too. Don’t let them take your money.
sandy660 t1_iwsymbg wrote
If you reach out to a lawyer who does labor and employment law they will almost certainly agree to represent you on a contingent basis (I.e. they will not charge you hourly, but will take a percentage of whatever they recover for you). This is usually between 30-40 percent. This payment structure is allowed because it incentives the lawyer to get you as much as they possibly can - they do better when you do better.
Reaching out to the DOL as some people have already suggested isn’t a bad way to handle it, but having someone privately represent you will get you better and quicker results IMO.
whskid2005 t1_iwsywdk wrote
NJ doesn’t actually require breaks. It’s just a douche move to not give them.
As for the changing your hours, that’s a major concern. Get some proof (take pics of your timecard every day). Then department of labor complaint for wages.
betcher73 t1_iwsz8dt wrote
You should ignore most of the screenshots but the discussions can get good sometimes
new_tanker t1_iwsz8x4 wrote
Talk to an attorney and also reach out to your local Representative.
sugarintheboots t1_iwszkpp wrote
If you work an 8 hour shift, they are REQUIRED to give you a 30 minute break. State law.
chouette789 t1_iwszwy4 wrote
Actually, unless your under 18… or 16, I can’t remember, they aren’t required to give you any breaks. It sucks but it’s true.
chouette789 t1_iwszzsh wrote
Only if you’re under a certain age
[deleted] OP t1_iwt12nk wrote
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shakarchi1 t1_iwt3lvn wrote
Call 800 414-6685, this law firm specializes in labor law!!!
jailguard81 t1_iwt4b8s wrote
Under NJ labor law? I don’t think so. They have to give u 30min lunch break
sparky1976 t1_iwt4shu wrote
This is terrible the subs are not.
Basedrum777 t1_iwt5hef wrote
No they're right. After 18 no requirement for breaks.
chouette789 t1_iwt5n65 wrote
Yea, I just double checked. Over the age of 18, nj doesn’t mandate breaks. It’s crappy, but legal.
BabysFirstVO t1_iwt70qy wrote
Dm me I know some people
Kitchen-Supermarket7 t1_iwt7qn7 wrote
nj law requires a break after the first 3 hours and a lunch break after the first 5 hours
whskid2005 t1_iwt8rff wrote
State law is if you are under the age of 18 you must be given a 30 minute uninterrupted break for every 5 hours of continuous work. As an adult- there’s no law state (NJ) or federal for employers to provide breaks
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whskid2005 t1_iwtacke wrote
https://www.nj.gov/labor/wageandhour/support/faqs/wageandhourworkerfaqs.shtml
Go to the section for “hours of work, jury duty, and closings”, then select “break periods”.
Rosamada t1_iwtaffx wrote
That only applies to minors. New Jersey does not mandate breaks for adults.
Rosamada t1_iwtbhid wrote
You are wrong. They are not. Here is the U.S. Department of Labor's list of meal period requirements by state. Note that New Jersey only has provisions covering minors.
NefariousNaz t1_iwtcn6e wrote
Contact someone at the state department of labor
doctorkanefsky t1_iwtd1u9 wrote
Lawyer and/or department of labor BEFORE talking to corporate. A company willing lie on time cards to violate wage and hour and child labor laws is definitely not above firing you for bringing this up to HR.
jailguard81 t1_iwtdwgy wrote
Wow I never knew that. I would never work for anyone who wouldn’t give breaks. No matter how much they pay
di11ettante t1_iwtibdu wrote
Makes you wonder about the wisdom of the state's flagship public university entering into a multi-year naming rights agreement for its marquee intercollegiate athletics venue with an organization that flouts child labor laws in such a cavalier manner.
The_CumBeast t1_iwtp9u9 wrote
wow, document everything that you can right now. This is highly illegal. enjoy your free lawsuit, hope you get alot of out and fuck jersey mikes
jordanwiththefade t1_iwtr3kg wrote
I work with a really good employment law firm They work on contingent basis, so nothing to pay to discuss. They will point you in the right direction of what you need to do.
ratinthecellar t1_iwtsbkw wrote
but they're donating to a food bank this weekend! (donating OP's wages I guess)
JizzyTurds t1_iwtvyuc wrote
Worst sandwich chain around these days, shame because the one on route 10 in whippany was so good back in day, they’d stack the shit out of the Italian. I’ll gladly eat a Wawa or quickchek sub over mikes
AbazabaYouMyOnlyFren t1_iwtw88r wrote
No. That's bad advice.
Do NOT talk to corporate. Go to the labor authorities first.
The company will close ranks and fire him.
AbazabaYouMyOnlyFren t1_iwtwftm wrote
BBB is a useless organization.
GoZahnGo t1_iwtwrtg wrote
Seriously, their subs are just "meh okay." My old quik check in Iselin did them better, and they were only okay too.
Tastees in Edison is the best though!
spottedrabbitz t1_iwu2jf1 wrote
Jersey melvins? Jersey Theodores? Jersey anthonys?? Jersey joeys? The suspense...
thefudd t1_iwu3pnb wrote
WonderSub in old bridge gives it a run for its money, but yeah fuck jersey mike's. Trash ass business
Deslah t1_iwu3swx wrote
Sorry, but food banks in the United States are just another business. People like to call them "non-profit", but that's just their taxation status. Their own staff and the businesses they partner with 'profit' very greatly. (Of course, they're served by good-hearted volunteers who don't bother to look behind the curtain.)
In this case, Jersey Mike is donating 20 percent of sales for one weekend to "FEEDING AMERICA®". And FEEDING AMERICA®'s CEO earns very close to $1 million a year.
Claire Babineaux-Fontenot, the top executive at Feeding America — which represents food banks — got a raise of nearly $154,000 in the group's 2021 fiscal year, bringing her total compensation to $969,325.
Deslah t1_iwu4m1f wrote
Why on Earth did you double-down without looking it up?
While employers typically provide lunch and meal breaks in New Jersey, there is no legal requirement for most employers to provide any breaks. Your right to take time off might be set by a formal policy in the company’s employee handbook, an informal policy or even an unwritten practice. These policies are rarely legally enforceable. However, if you do have an enforceable offer letter or employment contract that spells out how much time you can take off for meals or other breaks, there is a good chance that agreement is legally enforceable.
Deslah t1_iwu4t2v wrote
NJ law: OP is not entitled to breaks--even meal breaks--unless it was documented in an enforceable offer letter or employment contract. Sad, but true.
Vanima81 t1_iwu5fch wrote
SubShack in Hackettstown is another great one too.
Sloomove t1_iwu5iw4 wrote
But they taste so goddamn good.
Sloomove t1_iwu5lzo wrote
Just not getting the right sandwich. I’ve only gotten about one crappy one before. As far as “chains go” definitely on the better side.
voonoo t1_iwu9gwx wrote
He’s probably not even from jersey!
Psychological-Ad8175 t1_iwu9q1q wrote
Very true about many non profits. I found one non profit that was organized to take donations to pay for fuel for some guys private jet.
fwork4real t1_iwu9ybp wrote
Sure thing buddy. yet there's 2.3 million people in that subreddit due simmiar reasons .
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AdeptAgency0 t1_iwucff5 wrote
Because the quickest way to get the correct answer is by posting the wrong answer. In this case, sugarintheboots also wanted a source along with the correct answer, so they doubled-down.
Twinstarrider t1_iwucosb wrote
Yes file a wage claim on the NJDOL website. They just got a ton from chipotle for child labor. This is wage theft and they have been cracking down. They would be very interested. https://www.nj.gov/labor/wageandhour/claims-appeals-investigations/file/
TheAngryOctopuss t1_iwudo7r wrote
Contact Corporate...
Keep meticulous Records...
Document everything...
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Corporate doesnt want this shit getting out
mrli0n t1_iwue9zw wrote
This is Jersey. Of course that makes sense.
[deleted] OP t1_iwufelb wrote
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Martyc31 t1_iwufm0l wrote
Not to mention being way overpriced.
Deslah t1_iwufzry wrote
So, even though we've presented to you clear evidence that there's no legal requirement for employers to provide breaks--even meal breaks, you're still insistent that it's mandated? What the hell? Where is it mandated--other than in your own workplace by your own employer?
janzyellie t1_iwugmen wrote
Well, I guess we won’t be going to Jersey Mike’s for sammies
lurkenstine t1_iwugpfe wrote
Corporate protects the brand not the people.
Hr works for the company not the employees
njstein t1_iwugviz wrote
Log everything, hours worked, lack of breaks, every fault you can think of, then reach out to the department of labor and give them everything.
This will help you prepare your report.
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/contact/complaints/information
Then when you are ready, contact your local office and inform them of all the violations.
New Jersey Northern New Jersey District Office
U.S. Department of Labor
Wage and Hour Division
200 Sheffield Street, Room 102
Mountainside, NJ 07092
Phone (908) 317-8611
1-866-4-USWAGE
(1-866-487-9243)
District Director - Paula Ruffin
Southern New Jersey District Office
U.S. Department of Labor Wage and Hour Division
9 Princess Road, Suites G/H Lawrenceville, NJ 08648
Phone (609) 538-8310
1-866-4-USWAGE
(1-866-487-9243)
District Director
Charlene Rachor
TheAngryOctopuss t1_iwugxee wrote
Exactly thats the Point... JMs are franchises... So HR protects the Parent Company not the franchise
the_last_carfighter t1_iwuhx5o wrote
It's funny how just yesterday my dentist and I were discussing how nearly everything in the USA is basically a scam to funnel money to the elite. Started off discussing how wholly inadequate dental insurance is.
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thefudd t1_iwujy8q wrote
Big Wally's is good too, but wondersub is on another level.
Electronic-Nature114 t1_iwul57d wrote
Document every single thing, with a date and time stamp, you’ll need it
Effective-Log5264 t1_iwupgwu wrote
Contact the US department of labor. They are super helpful and will resolve any issues
DatPukLyfe t1_iwuque3 wrote
Is he from Jersey at least?
TheFuzziestDumpling t1_iwusnyx wrote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_Mike%27s_Subs
Jersey Pete's, and at least he is actually from NJ.
bros402 t1_iwuxooa wrote
BBB is Boomer Yelp
[deleted] OP t1_iwuynet wrote
My dad plays golf with him. He's whacko.
Bloomingkidd t1_iwv0jfs wrote
Pete bought mikes sub shop from the original owner after he was gonna close the shop and then made the chain.
NJKbh899 t1_iwv3qal wrote
Lol too funny.
milkyway9999 t1_iwv9h4x wrote
How come you know that this is a "real life situation" while everything is fake lol? Think we all know of what part of NJ you come from
jflynn53 t1_iwv9lr3 wrote
I think they meant that WonderSub gives Tastee a run for their money
fleurzodiac t1_iwvbmgv wrote
Brilliant!
[deleted] OP t1_iwvflxa wrote
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bubblegumdavid t1_iwvvma8 wrote
Nonprofit is my academic field and field of work and I promise those of us who give a crap about the causes work really hard to try to fix it :(
My advice is always to look at charity navigator for info on a nonprofit’s reliability, and whenever possible (just like in the private sector) give to someplace local! I’ve only ever worked for state level or smaller focused organizations and programs, and from the top down we all are not making much money and give crazy hours and effort to our missions. Once where I worked my executive director was mopping the homeless shelter because we needed an extra hand.
TLDR: Pls don’t discount the whole sector because the big guys suck, us smaller orgs give a crap and work crazy hard and usually make a LOT under what we’d make in the private sector to do something we care about
NJxBlumpkin t1_iwvwtxq wrote
24k for violating child labor laws. Almost comically low. …….that’s like charging me 1/100th of a cent.
Slicerboy1 t1_iwvyag4 wrote
Maybe so but they make a damn good sub
Deslah t1_iwvynhs wrote
Can't argue with you on that--it's disgusting, actually.
Luxin t1_iww0dmu wrote
Wage theft needs a promotion to a criminal charge. No reason for it to be anything else if there is theft involved. And yes, a payroll mistake is just that, so the law will be a bit messy but it’s worth it.
Keizman55 t1_iww6oy6 wrote
Thanks. I volunteer for Monmouth County Food Bank (Fulfil). There are paid staff because the place couldn’t run or be funded without them, but we really help many people who are struggling. Giant warehouse, fleet of trucks, well organized. I enjoy delivering food to my area. Have met some really nice people who have been caught up hardships for health or other reasons.
noticethinkingdoggos t1_iww7036 wrote
Generally they don't have to offer breaks and can fire people for no reason, but their wage theft is very illegal. Keep records of what's happening (photos, notes, recordings, etc) and talk to an employment lawyer. You can almost certainly find a lawyer willing to give you a consult for free and take the case on contingency, meaning they only get paid if you win. The law permits you to get 3x damages for the wages they're stealing, plus they have to pay additional money for legal fees.
ratinthecellar t1_iww9w88 wrote
Blech!!!
Johndoe_718 t1_iwwlaz9 wrote
NJ law says you are not entitled to any breaks for people over 18 and they can fire you without reason. Thanks NJ.
willyfistagast t1_iwx5nh9 wrote
By Law you have to get 30 minutes every 8hrs worked.
Zyply00 t1_iwz9b1b wrote
I've worked for big corp before and all I can say is this isn't always the best way to go. Let a company resolve the issue internally so it can get better. Report it to your GM first then if that doesn't help go to corp HR. Their job is to protect the company from you being able to sue them so they will WANT to fix it. If they don't fix it or fire you then go the legal route because now it will just be worse for them because we have anti-retaliation laws in place.
AbazabaYouMyOnlyFren t1_iwzah7j wrote
I would agree with you if it were another business and the employee wasn't a sandwich shop worker.
Nothing against doing that kind of work, my point is that they generally treat them as expendable anyway. Someone who has resources to hire a lawyer is harder to dismiss.
HRs job is to protect the company in the easiest most cost effective way possible.
Zyply00 t1_iwzcilf wrote
Yes and it's cheaper to follow the law with this subject. Child labor laws are very serious. Back when I did sales, I wasn't even a supervisor and the deep culture was make sure minors took their lunch on time. It was sadly because of enforcement and not ethics. Adults were still able to take their lunches most of the time but it was iffy sometimes and not always as scheduled. Adults are not guaranteed lunch breaks unfortunately. With Mike's they clearly don't care so they will be punished until they get their act together and get fined over and over until they can't afford it. Fines add up quickly for that crap. You can get fined per incident in some cases.
AbazabaYouMyOnlyFren t1_iwzkhpi wrote
Let's just say that for a company like Jersey Mike's, it doesn't surprise me at all that they would turn a blind eye to this and try to sweep it under the rug. Which is exactly why you don't go to HR for something like this, you report it first to the Labor Department, and when, not if you get fired, it's clearly retaliation and that's illegal too.
Zyply00 t1_iwzmdul wrote
That's literally why you DO report it to HR. If HR sweeps it under the rug then it's built-in proof. Not sure why this is confusing. HR is extremely operational and solely based on fact. It's their job to have polices that clearly state what is expected. When the DOL comes in and talks to HR and they present their facts, that is their chance to show they followed the laws or not. If the DOL comes in and HR says they didn't know, then nothing can begin because you need to provide an opportunity to fix a problem. Companies get in trouble when there's clear neglect or no prevention measures. If DOL comes in and HR says look we resolved the situation according to law then the DOL won't fine them.
AbazabaYouMyOnlyFren t1_iwzsei4 wrote
Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
I'm not confused, I don't agree with your opinion.
It's not complicated, these labor laws are as clear as obeying a traffic light. Not knowing doesn't matter, it happened and someone wasn't doing their job to ensure that the company is compliant.
The idea that you get off by saying "We didn't know"... I'm not even sure how to respond, it's a ridiculous thing to say.
Zyply00 t1_iwzsxav wrote
I think there's a misunderstanding here. It's not really my opinion since I'm just explaining the existing process as it's currently used. My opinion is pretty different from what I just explained. A company is required to prevent laws from being broken but you can't expect a company to be 100% on it because humans are humans. It's the same with calling the DOL directly. They won't know either unless it's reported that the company (HR) was knowingly breaking the law. The DOL doesn't automatically just know unless it's reported but the first thing, they do is talk to HR so why bother skipping HR in the first place? If you called DOL and they called HR then you now created a situation where they feel you'll report things that aren't even illegal, so you'll eventually be let go for something unrelated.
AbazabaYouMyOnlyFren t1_iwzygu1 wrote
This is the process currently used, according to whom?
Zyply00 t1_ix010b6 wrote
Is this a serious question? The federal DOL, state's DOL and any corporation... their website explains everything HR needs to know when it comes to employee labor laws and what they're bound to.
The DOL only gets involved when a company knowingly broke the law and didn't fix the problem or allowed obvious neglect. HR doesn't always follow through which is why the DOL is there. HR's job might be to protect the company but that does include making sure people aren't being fired for unlawful purposes and not being given their basic rights. The first thing HR does is get the facts and will terminate someone if they violated a really big policy or correct a behavior that could lead to a problem. Then they document the situation and move on.
I was personally in this situation and got HR involved when the GM was clearly mad at me for something that seemed like a clear violation, but I was never fired after the HR review because they had all the facts and knew I never did anything wrong.
AbazabaYouMyOnlyFren t1_ix01pug wrote
Yes it's a serious question.
"Knowingly"
If it's a chronic problem and not a one-off, someone in a managerial position is "knowingly" doing it.
Seriously, do you even stop to read the words you're posting?
Zyply00 t1_ix05ube wrote
Yes but management isn't HR. Mangers get fired ALL THE TIME so HR should be told asap when this stuff is happening so they know there's managers treating employees illegally. In Mike's situation it would appear HR was aware of multiple reports and didn't act in accordance with the law. By "knowingly" I'm only talking about a department that is directly responsible for dealing with this type of thing. So now question is are YOU even reading what I'm typing or just replying with a defensive emotion and not thinking about the legal process that needs to happen? Companies don't just get in trouble automatically and I think people think they do. When someone just reports things to the government and not actually work through the existing channels you waste needed resources and causes taxes to go up when it could've been resolved much quicker. That's all I'm trying to say.
AbazabaYouMyOnlyFren t1_ix06coy wrote
You don't understand my point and your assumptions here are ridiculous.
Zyply00 t1_ix06n60 wrote
What assumptions? What's your point?
AbazabaYouMyOnlyFren t1_ix07bpq wrote
Exactly.
Zyply00 t1_ix07nhn wrote
Exactly what? I heard you but your opinion wasn't aligned with the existing process in place. So I'm giving you the opportunity to explain your point again then you say nothing. You are literally making no point and not contributing to the conversation constructively.
Zyply00 t1_ix3t9id wrote
> you don't go to HR for something like this, you report it first to the Labor Department
Your original point was, " you don't go to HR for something like this, you report it first to the Labor Department, and when, not if you get fired, it's clearly retaliation" so honestly what part am I missing? It's very simple to understand your original point. But that isn't how it works, and it will just waste time and money because it creates unnecessary confusion. As for my assumptions, where am I off of thinking this is misguided? You're clearly mad at the company, which you should be, which I am as well, so you take the path of least resistance, which I just explained above because this is what everyone is told to do from companies and the DOL.
It seems you think I'm not on the victims' side or something. I'm a professional and heavily advocate for human rights but aim to provide factual information to empower people to be effective and not react in anger but with information to get results. I do think from here we've had enough back and forth where any further communication wouldn't be useful so I'll jump ship.
WhatIsTickyTacky t1_iwsk2it wrote
You can file a complaint with the department of labor.