Submitted by Castor_and_Pollux123 t3_ztg6do in newjersey
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newwriter365 t1_j1degbe wrote
Holy spit! That's awful.
Stay safe, peeps. I value each and every one of you!
lost_in_life_34 t1_j1didkq wrote
Why would anyone go into the office today
earlymountainrain t1_j1dk1h4 wrote
At least the trains will finally get washed.
TheRacoonist t1_j1dkfp9 wrote
Huh, people who work desk jobs are the only ones using the trains. Who knew!?
ProbstBucks t1_j1dm52a wrote
Yeah very reductionist to forget all the other people who take the train into the city, like the people who do it to drink.
ProbstBucks t1_j1dm7qe wrote
How the hell are they saying it's only gonna be 30 minute delays?
Sirkitbreak99 t1_j1dmjch wrote
Hoboken is fucked on a normal day! Fun fact, there are only like 3 ways to get out of Hoboken by car. Fuck that place.
EagleFly_5 t1_j1dmprk wrote
I’ve never worked for anyone before, but even in days like this, you still have to go to work & mandated to do so. The only notable ones who said not to go to work was NJ’s state offices, which are closed today. Of course that’ll be an interesting variable once it gets cold by evening.
PATH as of now (10:05AM) is running on/close to schedule to cross the Hudson.
IHate2ChooseUserName t1_j1doeke wrote
all the cars in the underground parking lots....
enokeenu t1_j1dolbe wrote
It rained that much? Wait until that stuff freezes.
ScumbagMacbeth t1_j1dot5q wrote
Work has been slow for me lately and I really need the money. Can't afford to take the day off. I work in live theater so there's no such thing as work from home.
kittyglitther t1_j1dp64l wrote
This post inspired me to get on the road a few hours earlier. Thank you. My bus isn't full, I'll report back on conditions at the port authority.
outcome--independent t1_j1dpcgf wrote
LemurCat04 t1_j1dpg5z wrote
Because you used your WFH days to cover earlier days in the week.
outcome--independent t1_j1dphac wrote
Please do!
ShatteredPink t1_j1dpuu8 wrote
theres always something happening to nj transit i feel
shakeituppp t1_j1dqgxn wrote
Like nobody could possibly be traveling to see family for the weekend…
BoujeeMomme t1_j1dqnmq wrote
I had a girlfriend who lived in Hoboken and she would always complain how I never visited her and that's the reason why?!?!
Her excuse for not visiting me when I lived on the UES of Manhattan was there was never any parking 🤣
kittyglitther t1_j1dqy3u wrote
Current status of port authority: pretty damn empty.
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44moon t1_j1drk72 wrote
forbidden amsterdam
Bpp908 t1_j1drt9p wrote
NerdseyJersey t1_j1drtbf wrote
To the south by the Holland Tunnel maybe. There's like, 7 ways to get out of Hoboken by car.
kittyglitther t1_j1dsfpw wrote
Why would anyone drive from Hoboken to the UES (and vice versa)?
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crustang t1_j1dsp6q wrote
BoujeeMomme t1_j1dte45 wrote
When we'd visit one another we'd stay over the weekend and go somewhere during the weekend.
We didn't like using mass transit on the weekends since it was an erratic and not as consistent schedule.
JeromePowellAdmirer t1_j1dtqk2 wrote
And the amount of time it takes to find parking wasn't erratic? I guess if you have the money it's better but I'd save the toll, gas, parking payments for the slightly longer weekend headways.
historicbookworm t1_j1dtrdx wrote
BoujeeMomme t1_j1du2i6 wrote
Finding parking wasn't an issue since she'd just pop into the parking garage underneath my apartment.
She just hated driving to visit though I never thought it was that bad of a drive?! Holland Tunnel then straight up the East Side Hwy?!
JeromePowellAdmirer t1_j1du4rx wrote
This flooding issue could be fixed for good, for a third of the price of the pointless highway expansion, but that wouldn't line the right contractors pockets, so it won't happen.
Sirkitbreak99 t1_j1dumdc wrote
To the south there is 1 way, it all funnels onto 1 street. Then there is the one street that climbs onto the cliffs also kind of on the south side. On the north side there is that elevated road and I think that's pretty much it. I lived near the south of it so not very familiar with the north exits.
kittyglitther t1_j1dumm4 wrote
I have boarded my second bus and I'm taking an edible. Success, indeed ✨️
Linenoise77 t1_j1dvb25 wrote
trains can actually get through that. They are heavy, made to get wet, and get their power either from a locomotive or overhead wires.
Obviously they have to move a bit more cautiously, and you will have platforms that you may\may not want to use.
sutisuc t1_j1dvj71 wrote
Glad to hear NJ state government did the responsible thing. I doubt our neighbors across the river did the same. Especially the city government.
BingBangBoom696969 t1_j1dvylh wrote
That station is cursed
rokrishnan t1_j1dxhzl wrote
Love the optimism, NJT. Unless your trains can transform into boats, that ain't a 30 minute delay.
HobbitFoot t1_j1dxiue wrote
A lot of the same contractors that do road work do this kind of work as well. It isn't a contractor issue.
itsaboutpasta t1_j1dzks2 wrote
Seems like it doesn't take much to flood in Hoboken. But yeah, I was expecting torrential downpours last night and this AM, but from Newark down to Perth Amboy last night, it was nothing.
CapableWolverine t1_j1e1ntp wrote
LORD
Arkrobo t1_j1e1wtn wrote
It'll be a different story when it freezes shut.
Castor_and_Pollux123 OP t1_j1e4uiu wrote
> It rained that much?
More like super high tide, I think. That sort of thing has happened previously at Hoboken.
Castor_and_Pollux123 OP t1_j1e4zll wrote
Because some supervisor is a bozo.
john_browns_beard t1_j1e56of wrote
You know how Chinese food places always have your food ready in 10 minutes regardless of how much you order? It's like that, but the opposite.
john_browns_beard t1_j1e5hcm wrote
Polar Express gonna turn up and save Christmas
1KrazyPapi t1_j1e6ocp wrote
They're waiting for low tide
Satyawadihindu t1_j1e785u wrote
Because car brains.
warrensussex t1_j1e9fs1 wrote
Even if it was all the same contractors, just being 1/3 the price is a huge difference and it's definitely not all the same contractors.
lordGwillen t1_j1eag9s wrote
Just one more lane bro please I swear to God bro just one more please it will fix it bro I swear please just one more lane
HobbitFoot t1_j1eajmw wrote
Why is it a choice between these two projects/programs only?
warrensussex t1_j1eb9xm wrote
I always figured that was because they make the food Iarge batches
RedForman1776 t1_j1ecbce wrote
How bad is the PATH?
Joe_Jeep t1_j1ecx36 wrote
Its not. They're choosing to fund explaining the highway.
Which is damn foolish in general given traffic will just continue bottlenecking at the tunnels but I digress
warrensussex t1_j1ed0f6 wrote
Never said it was. Was just saying your logic was bad.
SyndicalistCPA t1_j1ed9t6 wrote
Its not. Literally anything would be more useful than expanding the highway.
HobbitFoot t1_j1edr6a wrote
Who is they?
The New Jersey Turnpike Authority is a self funding agency that makes money from tolls on its road. It is using that money to fund this program over decades.
NJTransit is an independent agency, but it relies on the state to cover deficiencies in its budget. This isn't a judgement against NJTransit, as mass transit typically requires subsidies. If NJTransit were to build this project, it would be funding from the state.
NJ_Mets_Fan t1_j1ee17t wrote
ik it wont work this way but imagine the tunnels were filled w lights and everyone had skates u can ice into manhattan
Cantholditdown t1_j1eea5x wrote
What the heck? Did even rain that much last night?
HobbitFoot t1_j1eenb5 wrote
My logic is that you have the same contractors for large Turnpike jobs as you do for large NJTransit jobs, and they make the same money when working for either client. Therefore, they don't really care which agency gives them work.
Why is that logic bad?
DerSturmbannfuror t1_j1efmth wrote
I see the new Morris canal is coming along well
Mikemo05 t1_j1efrzd wrote
Cars pay for the roads.
warrensussex t1_j1eg8ld wrote
They aren't going to be all the same contractors and unions involved. Even if they were, the fact that it's 1/3 price is significant.
ElXGaspeth t1_j1eggh8 wrote
Fucking lmao
HobbitFoot t1_j1egym0 wrote
So it is only a choice between the two projects. Why?
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specialgravity t1_j1ehsm9 wrote
It's unaffordable to commute on the turnpike and 78 as it is right now. I can't imagine what it will cost when they add their $10b lane.
Please, for the love of god just expand our existing rail. There is plenty of dormant, unused rail that is going to waste. Unearth it and make it feasible to travel by train again. Make it so I don't have to transfer at Newark or Secaucus every trip and I will gladly use the train more. You'd think after Xanadu and Revel the state would listen to it's voters, but I guess corruption wins out.
specialgravity t1_j1ei57q wrote
Because it takes 1.5 hours by path an subway to get from one place to the other.
specialgravity t1_j1ei94h wrote
I don't want to burn a PTO on a bullshit day and I can't wfh
warrensussex t1_j1eiqlf wrote
Never said it was.
HobbitFoot t1_j1ellt6 wrote
But you keep going back to discussing it like the Contractors only get one or the other.
p4177y t1_j1elr9k wrote
> fact that it's 1/3 price
The only fact is that someone on reddit says it's 1/3rd the price. Even if priced out only a year ago (and there's no ondication it was), you think that'd hold between materials escalation costs due to inflation and the spike in interest rates?
pu1pfriction t1_j1elvny wrote
Huh? Hoboken to 33rd is 15 minutes. Then you take the Q and even up to 96th street that's only another 15 minutes.
Even if you're taking the L and the 6 that's 50 minutes tops
JeromePowellAdmirer t1_j1elwum wrote
Do you think transit riders don't pay for transit too? User fees come nowhere close to covering the costs of these things.
warrensussex t1_j1em346 wrote
They aren't the same job and require different skill sets and equipments. There's bound to be some overlap, but a paving company isn't going to be laying track. Just like a plumber isn't going to be wiring your house. They're both contractors, but for different jobs.
Mikemo05 t1_j1em62f wrote
Exactly. Car infrastructure is mostly covered by gas tax and taxes when you buy the car. So it's not taking govement money to build new road projects. While on the other hand transit doesn't profit in most cities. Same reason why bike lanes suck.
warrensussex t1_j1emw7k wrote
u/hobbifoot didn't dispute it in when he initially replied to u/jeromepowelladmirer so I figured it was a good enough number for the purposes of this discussion.
Godsarefakezz t1_j1en5y9 wrote
“Mostly”
HobbitFoot t1_j1enads wrote
But the replacement of the I-78 viaduct isn't a paving job. They aren't spending the money mainly on asphalt, but on bridges and other structures. Most of the work to protect Hoboken from flooding is going to be different structures like retaining walls. You are going to need a heavy structural firm to do either job, so you are likely going to have the same set of contractors.
bacon-wrapped_rabbi t1_j1eouur wrote
Strap on your skates, Gordie; you're going in.
p4177y t1_j1er8u5 wrote
But there's nothing behind that number that anybody put out there. Someone made a comment that it was 1/3 the cost, then you say it was a "fact" in your comment? At least there's articles re: the Turnpike cost escalation to show ehen and how it's increased.
WhiskyEchoTango t1_j1erlzo wrote
NJ Transit just recently started a project to address this issue.
I do wonder how often this happened back when it was the Lackawanna RR.
danielleiellle t1_j1esek3 wrote
You can take Marin, Grove, or Jersey Ave. Yeah they all cross 14th street but you don’t need to use 14th to get out. You can go down through DTJC go Columbus. Or straight shot Jersey Ave to Liberty State Park.
On the north you can take 14th to Manhattan/Paterson Plan, or Park or Willow up through Weehawken to get to 495.
jk147 t1_j1et2ag wrote
And with luck, you may or may not hit Lincoln tunnel traffic when you go that way.. mostly may.
IHate2ChooseUserName t1_j1et47l wrote
how many times a year flood happens in Hoboken?
RealMaRoFu t1_j1etmwl wrote
The Morris Canal has gotten its revenge
Linenoise77 t1_j1evzmn wrote
I don't think you appreciate how strong a train is.
warrensussex t1_j1eyw6g wrote
You're right I shouldn't have said fact.
emveetu t1_j1ezi6s wrote
Not trying to give you shit but why is it unaffordable to drive on 78?
emveetu t1_j1ezqkv wrote
It will get a chance to freeze because there will be trains moving through too often.
Sunpurpleshine t1_j1f1ldw wrote
To repair the water/ change the flow of rainfall issue has to be designed by engineers and then workers to carry out the physical labor. It’s a hell of a lot less work than the building a new lane. In fact the water run off simply needs to allow for more water to flow during a short period of time to accommodate the increasing flash flooding we are having. Which franking larger piping should have been installed from the get go. Ancient civilizations have done a better job with irrigation than the United States ever has sad to say it.
swifty84 t1_j1f1q6t wrote
Hoboken floods when someone sneezes in the wrong direction
sad_sax_ t1_j1f2176 wrote
They are actually pretty much done with the filling of the canal portion of the project, you can see the progress from a few months ago on google earth. This water likely came directly from the hudson
HeavenHellorHoboken t1_j1f4zid wrote
Hell’s gonna freeze over
HobbitFoot t1_j1f5vi2 wrote
The issue with Hoboken is coastal flooding, not local rainfall. To fix flooding in Hoboken, they are going to need walls preventing the Hudson from coming into the terminal. That is why they are costing the project in the billions. It is also why you need more than just better drainage at the terminal.
However, the goal of the NJTA project is to replace all the bridges from the Newark Bay Bridge to the Holland Tunnel approach. The project isn't just to add a lane, but replace the whole viaduct.
manningthehelm t1_j1f6c64 wrote
Me a NJ auto insurance adjuster 😭
Sirkitbreak99 t1_j1f8tal wrote
Marin, Grove and Jersey all feed off Newark so to me that's your bottleneck and in my mind that's a single street that everyone needs to take or cross and crossing it is no easy task.
danielleiellle t1_j1fcnqv wrote
I mean, Hoboken is a grid so by that definition every street is a bottleneck. Have to cross 1st if you live above it. And 2nd. Have to cross Washington if you live east if it. Etc.
goaltendah30 t1_j1fcttg wrote
The return power for electric trains with overhead catenary actually goes to the tracks for grounding so not that simple as it seems.
Sirkitbreak99 t1_j1fd425 wrote
doodle77 t1_j1fd8pi wrote
It's salt water so it won't freeze.
It's salt water so everything is going to turn to rust.
Sunpurpleshine t1_j1fk53b wrote
No matter where the water is coming from the drainage system has to be replaced to increase a far greater capacity. This is because the Hudson may be the source currently, but truth is water will make it to the lowest spots from anywhere and new sources will pop up bc the land can’t handle the water. Our drainage systems have to be built to larger capacity. The flash floods should not be assumed to not increase and cause even more flooding than seen here in future years.
HobbitFoot t1_j1flf8k wrote
It is hard to drain a place that is being flooded by a river.
PersonalBrowser t1_j1fpppb wrote
The audacity to say there will only be a 30 minute delay. WTF.
Linenoise77 t1_j1fv72p wrote
Stop and think about how that works for a second.
coasterghost t1_j1g5hzr wrote
And when they get your paper ticket
goaltendah30 t1_j1ga5oy wrote
Why don’t you take a swim in that water when an electric train comes through. You’ll be doing everyone else a favor with that snarky comment
Sunpurpleshine t1_j1gbu4x wrote
It’s going to have to happen one way or another. Obviously the water flow system in place has to be replaced to handle more water (from the river and future other areas as well) and the river needs yo gage new drainage age points created. Of course it’s hard to do or it would have been done by now, nonetheless it still has to be done. The weather is not waiting on us.
EasyGibson t1_j1gh183 wrote
Hey, congrats on winning today.
Castor_and_Pollux123 OP t1_j1ddthh wrote
The tracks in Hoboken Station are flooded, & when the flash freeze come in, everything will turn to ice.