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Longtermthrowaway5 t1_j3hbdq7 wrote
Reply to comment by dethskwirl in Let Marijuana Patients Grow NJ! by swissarmyspliff
And how are growing those things relevant to the discussion? Is there a reasons you didn't mention more commonly home gardened plants like tomatoes or basil or sunflowers? Is it because the use of the plant as a drug is relevant to the conversation? It's like simply calling it gardening removes some important context, huh.
dethskwirl t1_j3hdthj wrote
I mentioned those plants specifically because you can simply grow them in your garden legally like tomatoes, basil, and sunflower; however, you cannot grow cannabis in your garden. Growing those plants gives you the raw materials to make illegal or mind altering substances.
your analogy that gardening is to cannabis like chemistry is to methamphetamine in a legal sense does not hold water.
Longtermthrowaway5 t1_j3hedmd wrote
I made it clear that my criticism was the over simplification of what they wrote. So I was making an analogy in the literary sense, not a legal sense. I agree, they are dissimilar legal situations.
dethskwirl t1_j3herqb wrote
well then you're being disingenuous to the actual discussion and its not helpful or needed in this conversation.
Longtermthrowaway5 t1_j3hhdp0 wrote
I disagree. I think the poster I replied to was not being helpful to the conversation by grossly over simplifying the activity and leaving out important context. I think pointing out this shortcoming is useful to promote a conversation that includes necessary context
Mysticpoisen t1_j3jo4wm wrote
Yet for every comment you've made you haven't actually added any context. Would you like to educate us on the context of how growing cannabis isn't gardening?
Longtermthrowaway5 t1_j3jrj62 wrote
I've added plenty of context in other comments in this post. I never claimed it isn't gardening, I said it's a gross oversimplification. It's an accurate statement, just like saying producing crystal meth is just practicing chemistry. But they both omit important context. You can look up my. Other comments about how i take issue with trusting the general public over medical experts on deciding public health policies. And to add on to that I think it's a bad idea to trust the general public with unsupervised product and distribution of prescription medicine.
Now if they called cultivating recreational/non-prescription medical marijuana simply gardening, I feel that needs a lot less context.
Mysticpoisen t1_j3jzldj wrote
>Now if they called cultivating recreational/non-prescription medical marijuana simply gardening, I feel that needs a lot less context.
Wow, the lengths you've gone to split a hair the size of a proton. I feel as if you aren't very familiar with the state of medical cannabis. A doctor doesn't tell you exactly to the gram how much you need to take, and the product is identical to that sold in recreational dispensaries. So your argument, even if it had ANY validity to it all, would be symbolic and mean nothing. And none of it all has to do with cannabis cultivation being gardening.
Longtermthrowaway5 t1_j3k1zx8 wrote
I disagree it's a meaningless symbol. I think State endorsement is a meaningful symbol. You have so many people who think it is legal to use marijuana in the state when it is still against federal law and illegal to use in the state. While some people understand the distinction between state and federal law and how they interact, many people hear "New Jersey legalized marijuana" and assume use is legal in the state when in fact it isn't.
But yea, the farce of medical marijuana is silly and dumb. As you point out, there are no controls on quantity of medication to take or anything. We all know the majority of people used medical cards to obtain recreational marijuana. so why is it limited to medical marijuana patients and not for everyone?
And right, all of that has to do with the cannabis cultivation being described in the petition, not gardening. Hence why I said gardening is a poor choice of words.
Mysticpoisen t1_j3k2qrm wrote
So, it's not cultivation, just deep rooted state-instilled fear of a plant that's got you in a twist. It's okay to be afraid, but I promise it isn't that scary. Prohibition doesn't help anybody.
Longtermthrowaway5 t1_j3k340p wrote
How did the state cause you to be scared of a plant? And who said prohibition is helpful?
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