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Donut_of_Patriotism t1_j6u85m1 wrote

Also the right to self determination is exactly what Ukraine is fighting for here.

Why exactly should the Russian minority in East get self determination but the Ukraine majority doesn’t? Russia literally started and supplied the breakaway independence movement. You don’t get to just start a rebellion in another country using your own people and claim it as a legit call for self determination.

Let’s honor the original agree, the nuclear one. Every peace settlement since then has just been carving up Ukraine in a bit for appeasement. Appeasement doesn’t work.

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[deleted] t1_j6uata5 wrote

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Donut_of_Patriotism t1_j6udc2g wrote

Yeah no, nothing less than every inch of Ukrainian territory being recaptured is an unacceptable outcome. And the war could have been prevented I’d Russia didn’t invade Ukraine. They had literally zero reason to do so, and only have themselves to blame. Only Russia is responsible for this.

A negotiated settlement that doesn’t maintain Ukraines territorial integrity and sovereignty is quite literally horrible for humanities future not to mention just flat out wrong

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