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gornzilla t1_j97w5mr wrote

Reply to comment by LordVayder in Review found ‘falsified data’ in Stanford President’s research, colleagues allege by ScoMoTrudeauApricot

How long before AI is used to check research around the world, in all languages, looking for mistakes and possibly outright lying?

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Billis- t1_j988no0 wrote

How long before AI is used to do the research?

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riverrocks452 t1_j9b5sfg wrote

Allegations of data fraud can fuck someone's entire career, even if shown to be false. As a scientist, I'm completely on board with punitive measures for folks who knowingly and deliberately fuck with data....but I want a human- actually, several humans- looking into it before anything goes public.

The number of horror stories I've read from and about students accused of plagiarism because a comparison program thought their work was too similar to something else is...too high for me to ever place trust in a program. It's too severe of a consequence, and too high a rate of false positives.

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gornzilla t1_j9bffyq wrote

This is a great response. I don't know much about AI.

I did spend years teaching and I know for a fact that at some high up American education systems that plagiarism is allowed. It's not an open thing, but at many schools, bringing in foreign students with the massive amount of tuition they pay, it gets blown off.

A professor friend of mine was stalked by a foreign student and was told to arrange security to walk her to her car because the school wanted the huge amount of tuition.

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riverrocks452 t1_j9br9h0 wrote

A family friend went through the process on the other end. She had all the documentation to show it was her work, start to finish. More, truth be told, than I would ever have been able to produce if it had been me in the hot seat. Google Docs had recorded the evolution of her paper. Her citations were complete. She just used the wrong combination of less-common words, and the comp program dug up a source that matched it just enough to trigger.

I know that students get away with plagiarism all the time- even blatent straight up copy/pasting stuff. I myself was told to let it go unless it was verbatim the wiki article. But it shouldn't mean that we have a lighter trigger where we're allowed to enforce shit. Get enough undergrads attempting to sound sophisticated together and they'll eventually reproduce the language of any seminal work.

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gornzilla t1_j9bsic7 wrote

I'd give the "you need to stop doing this" but they knew there wasn't going to be any real repercussions. I was teaching overseas.

As an aside, students are paid to go to college in Saudi Arabia. They treat it like a job they hate for the most part.

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