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CrysisCamaro t1_j9u80br wrote

Reply to comment by Standardeviation2 in Suspect arrested in 2001 killing of a pregnant soldier at a former U.S. Army base in Germany by StevenSanders90210

Someone didn't want to be a baby daddy.

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TestDummy987 t1_j9v52ie wrote

Maybe he was married, she was his side girl.

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ashesofempires t1_j9v9ngx wrote

Pregnant soldier killed by another soldier. High likelihood that one or both of them were married. The US military takes adultery pretty seriously. If she intended to put his name on the birth certificate and file for child support, there's the potential for the dude to lose his security clearance, get charged with conduct unbecoming, and get discharged and lose his benefits.

He may have felt that murder was a better alternative crime to be charged with than the shit blizzard about to be dropped on him.

Still a monstrous thing to do.

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TestDummy987 t1_j9vcogu wrote

This was her first duty station and 19, I’m thinking he was the married one. It’s not uncommon when an NCO grooms new females soldiers. It happened a few times on deployment.

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CrysisCamaro t1_j9vtoba wrote

if you go by ages he was like 20 maybe 21. the likelihood of him being an NCO at 20 even in late 2001 is extremely low.

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Atralis t1_j9w65w3 wrote

I have to hope this guy wasn't an NCO but....

In my MOS when I was in the most common age that people made E5 was 21 because our promotion points were so low (350) that basically anyone that went to the board got promoted and you could go to the board at 3 years time in service.

We had a high speed guy get promoted while we were deployed that couldn't drink with us when we got back because he was 20.

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TestDummy987 t1_j9vvosb wrote

But not impossible. We had a couple E-5’s that were 21. Are you an expert on everything in the army?

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JoJoJet- t1_j9y6pbr wrote

Why does the military care so much about who sleeps with who?

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ashesofempires t1_j9y99il wrote

In the modern day it is a big deal in the military because it shows a lack of character. That the person cannot be trusted. That they can be tempted or swayed, and their judgment is not good.

The military handles a lot of sensitive, secret equipment and information, and a soldier that makes bad decisions in their personal life can carry that into their professional life. It also provides an opportunity for espionage to leverage that against them. "I know you're having an affair, I'll keep quiet if you tell me how this secret device works, or bring me the manual for the new widget."

It also really fucks with unit cohesion, as soldiers deployed have to worry about whether their loved ones are having an affair with another soldier while they are gone. It is distracting and dangerous.

So the military takes it seriously, and enforces it as a crime.

There's also some historical reasons on it that have to do with honor and some religious underpinnings.

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JoJoJet- t1_j9y9ez4 wrote

> It also provides an opportunity for espionage to leverage that against them. "I know you're having an affair, I'll keep quiet if you tell me how this secret device works, or bring me the manual for the new widget."

> It also really fucks with unit cohesion, as soldiers deployed have to worry about whether their loved ones are having an affair with another soldier while they are gone

That makes sense I guess.

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ashesofempires t1_j9yapm6 wrote

Its not widely known, but part of the review process for a security clearance is to see if a person has any history that could be used against them as leverage. Large debts, gambling habits, affairs, unsavory/embarrassing sexual habits, etc. These are all taken as signs that either the person has poor judgment or impulse control, or can be manipulated. It can mean being denied a clearance, or losing an existing clearance.

An example of why the government takes security clearances so seriously is Aldrich Ames. He was compromised by heavy debts and his affairs.

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kilgorevontrouty t1_j9ue5si wrote

Are you saying this is a trait specific to men or just humanity? Establishing a motive is necessary to prosecute and prevent crime, or am I wrong? It feels pretty fundamental to discussing crime and why it happened.

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CrysisCamaro t1_j9ufk6h wrote

You aren't wrong. And in this case it with the known facts there are only really 2 possible motives if its not a random killing. 1 he didn't want to be a baby daddy or 2 they were in a relationship and kid wasn't his. 1 of them calls the victim a cheater and since we have no info towards that I didn't mention it.

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4gotOldU-name t1_j9vt9ds wrote

That's ridiculous. There are a thousand other reasons she could have been killed that have nothing to do with being the father of that child besides "random". Or even her being pregnant.

The fact that you state that it being "random" is a possibility discounts there only being two other reasons (the ones you mentioned).

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8BitSk8r t1_j9ugj84 wrote

People always try and figure out a motive. You can be disgusted at the act and want to know what was going on in the mind of the perpetrator at the same time.

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smileymalaise t1_j9uuez3 wrote

No, he thinks people get locked up for being too icky and not for actual reasons.

Just read the profile. 100% a troll.

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CMDR_Squashface t1_j9ux4wf wrote

Yep. Knowing helps identify patterns in killings in general, and turns out, it's not just something done by dudes, not sure what that person thinks is happening here

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Standardeviation2 t1_j9uh7sa wrote

If one can figure out motive, and then at a larger scale patterns in motives in killers, one can create preventative measures to protect people. That’s something you can’t do if you just throw your arms up and say “Some people just suck.”

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wirecats t1_j9ujgkr wrote

How does "that guy is just a disgusting individual" help anyone in the future? If you know what motivates these people, you can maybe do something about guys who exhibit the same problematic behaviors in the future. Like at the very least, it doesn't harm anyone to know. And at the very most, it saves lives. So what's the problem with asking here

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puddingfoot t1_j9ukku2 wrote

Establishing a motive is crucial to convicting someone of murder, and generally valuable for understanding (and preventing) crime. Get off your high horse.

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