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psychicsword t1_j9tos1x wrote

Reply to comment by Justforthenuews in U.S. Justice Dept accuses Google of evidence destruction in antitrust case by batmaninwonderland

> The last big company that went through half the motions was microsoft in the 90’s due to their browser comboed into their OS at the time, I believe?

And now they did the same thing with edge. It is literally impossible to uninstall it.

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Justforthenuews t1_j9tyhci wrote

Not the same, edge was given up on two years ago. They use chromium now, and are running linux at home too, they even have a quiet little linux distro now. Things changing dramatically in there lately.

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psychicsword t1_j9u0z9o wrote

Sure they use the chromium rendering engine but that doesn't mean it isn't the same thing. The conflict over the browser vertical integration wasn't about the rendering agent. It was about the fact that everything about it was forced and further sent you to Microsoft products. And because it was installed by default and not possible to remove people just stuck with it which cut everyone off their competitors out of the market.

> They use chromium now, and are running linux at home too, they even have a quiet little linux distro now. Things changing dramatically in there lately.

Oh trust me I know. I am a dotnet developer who has pushed my department to shift from framework to what is now dotnet 6+. All my local development is using wsl2 and runs on docker in the AWS cloud.

That doesn't change that the actual settlement agreement was that they don't force you to install their browser and with W10 they did the exact opposite by design. They changed a lot of their practices for the better but they actively went against the bound settlement they had with the US government. Their only protection being that the Apple ecosystem has been getting away with the same shit for decades now so the public perception of it is that it is the status quo.

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Justforthenuews t1_j9u7ph5 wrote

I know! It’s a rather interesting case.

Settlements are contractual sealed agreements, even if the circumstances around the settlement changes, you have to abide by it until you can go through the system to change it (assuming it’s possible at all).

And the argument against them is weaker now, because they’re using more and more open source, so they have a claim that the bundling benefits more than them, so it’s not monopolizing.

We’re in rather grey waters here, considering the army of lawyers Microsoft can throw at it again.

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Justforthenuews t1_j9v218c wrote

A) My statement was a general statement about settlements, not about that specific one.

B) what you posted doesn’t prove anything about the statement being misleading, it just means that the settlement had an expiration date included (which I was unaware of) which means they are still following the letter of the settlement, assuming they didn’t start before that expiration date.

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Justforthenuews t1_j9u856h wrote

It’s not what I mean, we’re talking about the code and backend stuff, which is not microsoft exclusive anymore. Look it up, the edge browser is a chromium browser since 2018 iirc (19?). What you knew as edge before doesn’t really exist as it was anymore, and they stopped supporting it for the past two years at least.

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