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ITwerkForALiving t1_j9zr53g wrote

Reply to comment by UdderSuckage in Protest In Berlin Over Arming Ukraine Against Russia Draws Thousands by Neo2199

In The US you would only hear this every now and then but pretty isolated until Biden went to Ukraine, the far right seems to have now gone all in Pro-Putin now proving that its not really any of the points they actually disagree with but being anti-Biden.

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barowsr t1_j9zt9h9 wrote

Smart moves on Biden then. The more he can get the far-right to outwardly be Pro-Russian, the more they push Independents (who are largely anti-Russia) and even some moderate Republicans towards backing Biden.

Such a dumb wedge topic for R’s to get behind.

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clgoodson t1_ja3oy0q wrote

Agreed. I see a lot of Ukrainian flags outside the houses of everyday conservative people. They may never flip Democratic, but they will definitely get pissed and stay home.

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KarthusWins t1_ja4yzrc wrote

It's becoming quite sad to see the lengths to which the far right will go just to oppose liberals. They're the embodiment of the phrase " to cut off one's nose to spite one's face."

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RoboBOB2 t1_ja6z866 wrote

These protests in Germany from the left show that the further right and left you go the closer you get to completing the circle.

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70monocle t1_ja0uc3f wrote

The maga rights entire existence is based around "owning the libs." I don't even think there is a point to be made about anything they argue for. It has devolved from outdated thinking to just anti leftwing to the point that they would watch the world burn before giving anything bipartisan support. The right has killed itself by letting Trump infect it.

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Beautiful_Fee1655 t1_ja28xpl wrote

If tomorrow Biden said that no more aid should go to Ukraine, within minutes the maga crowd would be pushing for more aid to be sent.

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OppositeEagle t1_j9zunft wrote

For me, it's not anti-Biden so much as anti-war.

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Gods_chosen_dildo t1_ja04noi wrote

Yes it makes total sense to be pro invading country when you have an anti war stance…

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OppositeEagle t1_ja080t6 wrote

You sound like every other warmonger. "We had no other choice than to join a fight that has nothing to do with us".

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Gods_chosen_dildo t1_ja0918w wrote

Ukraine is a sovereign democracy we are allied with being invaded by a totalitarian regime with imperial ambitions.

You sound like the cursed love child of a Stalinist Tankie and a MAGA white-supremacist.

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OppositeEagle t1_ja0c7lh wrote

Our ties with Ukraine dictate we send billions in cash and weapons to them? Oh right, I forgot...aMeRiKa fUcKyEaH!!

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Gods_chosen_dildo t1_ja0clc3 wrote

That is generally how alliances work when one is invaded yes.

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OppositeEagle t1_ja0ftym wrote

Ukraine isn't a strong allie, just a convenient one; enemy if our enemy. So hey, let's keep that machine moving until nukes start flying, right! Right?

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Gods_chosen_dildo t1_ja0jj4s wrote

Wtf are you on about, nukes?

You still haven’t answered why taking Putin’s side makes you anti war. Most likely either your dear leaders in the Republican Party told you or the Stalin voice in your head did.

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OppositeEagle t1_ja0m037 wrote

You are assuming way too much about me personally. Being anti-war doesn't doesn't make me pro or anti, this side or that; I'm not for whatever is going on between Russia, Ukraine, NATO. But that's me.

Right, NATO, I forgot! Why aren't they just rising up and kicking Putin's teeth in? Maybe it has to do with nukes? You know, the things that level entire cities and contaminates countries? Putin has them...incase you didn't know.

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Vanhandle t1_ja0mxcy wrote

You are essentially just arguing that you wish war didn't exist. I also wish guns didn't exist, but they do, and so does war. Not every neighboring county can be convinced to put down their weapons and please don't invade us. War is necessary if the other side refuses to cease their incursions. We would be morally bankrupt if we allowed for allied countries to just get crushed by authoritarians.

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OppositeEagle t1_ja0rfyt wrote

Crushed? They're putting up a good fight and holding onto a great deal of their country. Eventually they will join NATO and if Putin try's this shit again it will be WW3. Or the US can escalate it.

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collingiles t1_ja1mtvj wrote

>Crushed? They're putting up a good fight and holding onto a great deal of their country.

Exactly BECAUSE we are sending them aid.

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Delamoor t1_ja38wc3 wrote

Which OP wants to end, this ensuring they can't put up a good fight and instead get ethnically cleansed and incorporated into Putin's Russia by force.

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carmichael109 t1_ja2yoc3 wrote

They are putting up a good fight because the world is aiding them. You just proved everyone's point.

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Gods_chosen_dildo t1_ja0ndsn wrote

Yes nukes are a reason that NATO hasn’t committed ground troops to Ukraine, but geopolitical realities pertaining to trade relations with China, alliances with India, and Turkey being a NATO member state are way more reason that ground troops haven’t been committed.

Nukes are a non factor as far as us supplying materiel and financial support for Ukraine, Putin is not dumb enough to use them for any other reason then a Hail Mary if the very survival of Russia is threatened.

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Delamoor t1_ja38pp4 wrote

So because they aren't strong enough to survive on their own, Putin (and the modern Russian Empire) has the right to invaded them and threaten the world with nukes?

Oh yeah, you seem totally pro-peace. Not defending an aggressor whatsoever. /S

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OppositeEagle t1_ja3adkl wrote

Were acting like Ukraine boarders are our boarders. If that's the case, why aren't we taking this more seriously and mobilizing our own trillion dollar military? That's why we spend so much right? If Russia is such a threat let's treat it like one.

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Delamoor t1_ja3bmp3 wrote

So... now you want to invade Russia?

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70monocle t1_ja0uw8r wrote

It's almost as if a strong alliance is worth investing in. If Russia takes Ukraine, China will take Taiwan. I doubt Russia would stop at Ukraine as well. The world would end up in WW3 almost certainly if we let that happen. What we are doing now is the best way to STOP WW3

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OppositeEagle t1_ja12o23 wrote

If this would prevent WW3 as you say, why not do something more than send cash over there? Weapons help. Troops help. If it's anything like the COVID PPP loans it will go to the wrong people. You have more faith in the govt than I.

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70monocle t1_ja1k82t wrote

We are sending weapons, though... It's hard to keep a country that is being invaded somewhat functional without an influx of money as well. Ukraine is one of the largest grain producers in Europe, if I remember correctly, which is pretty important.

I am sure there is some corruption at some level as would be with any system, but we can clearly see the outcome of our investment. Ukraine is holding its own against Russia, and the Ukrainian people are still holding strong thanks to a coordinated effort from the US and our allies.

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clgoodson t1_ja3pjso wrote

People might take you a bit more seriously if you didn’t jump from one argument to another when confronted with a little pushback.

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OppositeEagle t1_ja3scon wrote

Yeah this is reddit so there are several arguments and may sound mixed up. These are all just opinions from internet know-it-alls anyways.

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black641 t1_ja1pdao wrote

Nothing to do with us? Do you really think letting Russia run rough-shod over all their old territories not a part of NATO wouldn’t come back to hurt us? Or the West in general? Dammed if you do, dammed if you don’t. I’d rather help Ukraine and send a message to Russia that they can’t just invade their neighbors without consequence. And that they can’t just expect the world to capitulate to their every demand when threatened with nukes.

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BrianNowhere t1_ja2z2nh wrote

We have literally pledged allegiance with Ukraine and have vowed to defend them. Remember when the one thing the Trimp administration had changed in the RNC charter was to remove Republican support from the pledge to defend Ukraine? I do. You're playing right into their fascist hands.

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clgoodson t1_ja3pb5m wrote

So what’s the appropriate response to one country invading and destroying another without a reason? What do we do when they invade the next country in line?

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Slick424 t1_ja3b6pc wrote

Exactly. Herr Hitler only wants to protect the Sudetendeutschen. He would be never stupid enough to attack Poland.

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