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Riptide360 t1_j9ajh1q wrote

Random knife attacks targeting women? Glad this guy stepped in. I hope they can piece together what caused the dead assailant to snap.

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ChikaNoO t1_j9alcg5 wrote

Glad a hero stopped the piece of ****. Glad police didn't shoot the hero by mistake...

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TrumpterOFyvie t1_j9aqjpd wrote

Stabbing has always freaked me out since the Billy Batts murder scene in Goodfellas. Yuck yuck yuck. I would have shot this piece of shit too. Knifings are one of the worst ways to go.

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dantesdad t1_j9b5ktm wrote

It’s Fox, but it’s local. Are they lying to you? Probably not… but it’s still Fox so you always have to wonder. That’s why Fox is so fun!!! You always have to wonder if a story is being twisted for some partisan agenda.

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GoAwayStupidAI t1_j9b5mje wrote

Replying to fourfourzero (#1,885,652)

I want to note the person you asked replied with a Wikipedia page. This is interesting cause: pedantically this is not a source of that statistic - the source is the study the Wikipedia page references.

Which - there is no study from the FBI. (Afaict) The intended stat appears to be from a 1990s study which predicts differently than observed. With some particularly damning data from 2015.

Additionally, there are two interesting notes

A "survey about firearms and suicide completed by 150 firearms researchers found that only 8% of firearm researchers agreed that 'In the United States, guns are used in self-defense far more often than they are used in crime'."

"the FBI reported that guns were used in 35 criminal homicides for every defensive ("justifiable") homicide."

Which seems like important context for the usual discussions that stat comes up in.

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Hishui92 t1_j9b97de wrote

Fingers crossed that the attempted killer's family doesn't sue the good guy with a gun into bankruptcy.

This is America after all.

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Ok_Inevitable8498 t1_j9beiti wrote

Well, with police doing less and less to be there when needed, I can just see this turning (not only in red areas, but everywhere in the U.S.) into every adult carrying a gun in order to deter crime. The Wild West is coming sooner than I ever expected.

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WanderingPickles t1_j9bh1cr wrote

Replying to Aldervale (#1,885,768)

2 million people are shot to death every year?

In 2019 ~250k died via gunshot in the entire world. Of those, 71% (globally) are intentional homicides. 21% are suicides and 8% are accidental.

In the US the mix is a little different. The US yearly figure is around 40k deaths by gunshot. Of those, ~59% are suicide.

The suicide bit is really fascinating/worrisome. Combined it with other forms of suicide and “deaths of despair” and it becomes quite clear that we have a problem in the US. Vast numbers of people have no hope, are suffering some sort of disorder where suicide is the only way out in the midst of a crisis.

It is deeply disturbing.

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Benedictus84 t1_j9bi45b wrote

Replying to WanderingPickles (#1,887,570)

The only time the FBI is mentioned is in a statistic that per every defensive homicide there are 35 criminal homicides.

I wont say Wikipedia is not a source. But this source does not support your claim and is overal quite terrible.

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Atralis t1_j9bjdpv wrote

Thank you Union City Neighbor.

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Hishui92 t1_j9bk3r5 wrote

Replying to Valyrian_Kobolds (#1,887,986)

Lawyer gets a cut of the settlement.

Perhaps you didn't understand, they will make a case out of a nonexistent one. And if the defendant can't afford a lawyer, they'll likely lose.

Edit Apparently they deleted their reply or just blocked me. But to address what the notification window says they said... Does my own father count as dealing with a lawyer?

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Benedictus84 t1_j9bkyie wrote

Replying to WanderingPickles (#1,887,918)

Your claim is not supported by your source. That's all i am saying. There is no other mentioning about the FBI in your source. I understand that the majority of defensive incidents do not result in someone's death. I am not debating that.

Why do i have to spoon feed you all of this?

You can pick any of the sources cited by the Wikipedia article and i would bet none of them state it happens about a million times every year per the FBI.

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hedgetank t1_j9bzqc4 wrote

Replying to Riptide360 (#1,884,173)

The Mayor : Callahan... I don't want any more trouble like you had last year in the Fillmore district. You understand? That's my policy.

Harry Callahan : Yeah, well, when an adult male is chasing a female with intent to commit rape, I shoot the bastard - that's my policy.

The Mayor : Intent? How'd you establish that?

Harry Callahan : When a naked man is chasing a woman through a dark alley with a butcher knife and a hard on, I figure he isn't out collecting for the Red Cross.

[leaves]

The Mayor : I think he's got a point.

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hedgetank t1_j9bzycd wrote

Wait wait wait. I was assured that a good guy with a gun never stops a bad guy. I was assured of this.

/sarcasm
//good on this guy. Fuck the attacker.

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BillOfArimathea t1_j9c1bos wrote

Replying to hedgetank (#1,889,454)

Mayor: “Drebin, I don’t want any more trouble like you had last year on the South Side. Understand? That’s my policy.”

Frank Drebin: “Yes. Well, when I see five weirdos dressed in togas stabbing a guy in the middle of the park in full view of 100 people, I shoot the bastards. That’s my policy.”

Mayor: “That was a Shakespeare-In-The-Park production of “Julius Caesar”, you moron! You killed five actors! Good ones.”

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hedgetank t1_j9c1ckz wrote

Replying to TrumpterOFyvie (#1,884,963)

not so cool story, bro: Back when I was 22, I was working for an IT company that was setting up computers and such for a Boys and Girls Club in a very not so nice part of town.

I had been working late to wrap things up and get ready for pre-opening testing, and was in the process of hauling empty computer boxes out to my car when a group of 3 folks noticed me and decided they wanted to make some extra cash.

The three guys jumped me and started beating on me, then when they figured out the boxes were empty decided to have a little fun instead.

40 stab wounds and multiple deep lacerations later, including one that was only a couple of millimeters from spilling my guts (thank the gods I'm chunky), I was left to lay in a pool of my own blood.

It was another hour or so before someone passed by and bothered to call 911.

I ended up looking like Dr. Weir at the end of Event Horizon (though I still had my eyes).

No way for me to fight back at the time, and between infection, loss of blood, etc. I was lucky I didn't die. The time in the hospital and everything else was hell.

Between that, having had run-ins with a few meth heads that frequented a park near my company's offices, and going to some viking-themed events and dealing with legit nazis that showed up and got quite upset that we didn't want them there...yeah, this is why I'm generally afraid of people. Also why I strongly believe in firearms for self defense.

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hedgetank t1_j9c225x wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,887,444)

It's difficult to track because unless shots are fired or something actually happens, the police aren't called. If the police are called, it's after the event and the report won't really reflect much.

So, the only way to track these kinds of incidents is either going to be self-reporting, or some means of requiring a police report and requiring the report to reflect that the victim drew a firearm in preparation for self defense, but didn't require firing it.

You can imagine just how difficult it would be to get cops to do all that paperwork, considering how loathe they are to do it already.

This means that people who don't want to believe that it's even possible for whatever reason can blow off the statistic, because, like a lot of other things, if it's not reported, it obviously didn't happen, right?

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hedgetank t1_j9c3jd0 wrote

Replying to AggressiveSkywriting (#1,887,262)

the thing about that is, with regards to someone "getting into a fight", there's so much gray area to it that the blanket statement of "they got in a fight" doesn't disqualify their right to use force in self defense. There are numerous scenarios in which a person may have gotten into a fight, or even started a fight, and still be within their rights to escalate/use greater force to defend themselves.

It's just not automatic/clear cut.

And in the case of "were doing a crime against someone", legally speaking, they would not be entitled to a claim of self defense if they were committing a crime, outside of very specific circumstances. To wit, if I were in the middle of burglarizing your home and I found you busy stabbing your wife to death, technically I would be within my rights to use force to stop you, despite my being in the middle of committing a crime, as I'm technically acting in defense of another.

So just throwing those out there like they somehow automatically disqualify either the entire survey or even the particular claims is deeply misleading and erroneous without all of the facts available to review.

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2014justin t1_j9c52no wrote

Defensive Gun uses happen every day in this country. People should learn firearm proficiency and safety. If you're gonna carry, you better be well-trained. The criminal element hates a well-armed populace.

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AggressiveSkywriting t1_j9cer3l wrote

Replying to hedgetank (#1,889,831)

>So just throwing those out there like they somehow automatically disqualify either the entire survey or even the particular claims is deeply misleading and erroneous without all of the facts available to review.

I mean, these variables DO throw the entire survey into doubt though. It cannot be used as some ironclad "truth" like many try to use, because it's problematic in its nature. That's just how stats work, often.

People using this old survey without any context or all the facts is "equally" misleading and erroneous, perhaps moreso (as a survey that admits its potential biases is more honest than one that omits/obscures them).

https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6936&context=jclc

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hedgetank t1_j9czdh0 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,891,917)

I mean that if someone threatened me with a weapon for whatever reason, I drew my firearm in preparation to defend myself because I had no other choice, she the attacker decided to cut and run instead of risking it, why would I call the cops and invite all the hassle that dealing with American cops brings?

There's no suspect, there's little evidence, no shots fired, presumably no harm to me, and my choices are to call 911, try to convince them that something happened and to send cops, spend hours going over details, and end up nowhere; or I could simply collect my wits and get the hell out of there.

Hell, after I was attacked and nearly killed, the cops and the DA both said to me face that since there were no witnesses, and the area was rough, there was basically fuck-all they could do and zero chance they'd ever find the guy, and my home town is relatively small.

Studies and data from the FBI generally show, too, that many encounters of various kinds like I described above go unreported because people don't want to deal with the cops. More so if they're a minority.

So tell me again, how do you propose to track incidents where someone draws a gun in self defense, but things never get to a point where shots are fired and police aren't involved?

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hedgetank t1_j9d0ggr wrote

Replying to AggressiveSkywriting (#1,890,886)

And yet there are other studies that come to similar conclusions. The fact is that we can't say for sure because there's no way to accurately track the events objectively, and that means the situation can be skewed to make it look like the events are extremely rare (which gun control orgs do), or extremely common (which gun rights groups do).

The raw statistical probability just based on population, prevalence of guns, and general crime rates alone would put the figure somewhere in the middle, much higher than the low estimates used to suggest defensive use of firearms is extremely rare.

Until there's an objective way to measure a subjective event like this, the best we can do is to use self reported data, news reports (e.g. /r/dgu), and statistical analysis to come up with a rough estimate range of possible rates.

It neither proves nor disprove the study in question, but it does get more accurate than biased oversimplifications.

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JeepNaked t1_j9ebn4t wrote

Nice to see a DGU story make it to the front page.

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I_can_get_you_off t1_j9euxp8 wrote

Replying to Hishui92 (#1,887,940)

Lawyers aren’t going to want to sue this guy unless he has insurance. Insurance will pay his Legal defense costs. That’s how this works. I find it unlikely he’ll be sued by the family of a murderer who he stopped from killing a second person

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lynx_and_nutmeg t1_j9eyaza wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,887,444)

Pretty sure that road rage guy who shot another guy's daughter in the car would totally claim he was "protecting himself"*

*from having to suffer an emotional reaction of boredom while sitting in the traffic

Yeah, self-report doesn't mean shit.

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ArrrGaming t1_j9gr233 wrote

Please be sure to link this when the next comment calls for banning all guns.

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