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shiftdnb t1_ja8nf1e wrote

Not only underage workers but underage migrant workers. In a factory. Remember the story of the migrant kids found working cleaning up meat packing plants. Until the owners of these companies are thrown in prison it will continue happening and they’ll just say oops we tried but we’ll try harder next time. Here’s a nickel for your troubles.

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flaker111 t1_ja97pmr wrote

the only time america cares about children is when they are still unborn otherwise those kids were just picking up their bootstraps ......

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obliviousofobvious t1_ja98byh wrote

Well...they DID think of the children. They just thought of them as cheap, abusable, labour.

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astralbelligerency t1_ja9s1xt wrote

can’t complain about the mines if they’re still safer than the schools - big child labor, probably

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Nutatree t1_jac84az wrote

And they better get born so they can get exploited.

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obliviousofobvious t1_jacffgm wrote

That's why they banned abortions dude! Labour pipeline!!!

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4myoldGaffer t1_jaclx0i wrote

If abortions are banned then the Catholic Church won’t have any warm bodies for human trafficking and the rapist priests

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wankerbot t1_jacknru wrote

you know when people say "think of the children", you know they mean their well-being, right?

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obliviousofobvious t1_jacll6w wrote

That is your assumption. The real motivation, based on the actual actions taken is manyfold:

  1. Enforcing religious dogma. Often it's repressive, bigotted, and extremely unpopular.
  2. Silencing critics.
  3. Pushing their own views on other people. This one is the worst because it's used to force one's personal beliefs about what is acceptable for children on others.

There are many social mores and standards that I believe and accept are required to protect kids. Sexual Predation laws, for example, are things we can all agree are healthy and required.

Criminalizing Drag shows as somehow being a gateway to Sexual Predation, however, is a perfect example of "Think of the children" used to oppress a minority group.

We will disagree on what we believe is acceptable for minors. Where I draw the line on media (fantasy / sci fi violence vs real life simulated) may not be where you agree. That's ok. You do you. When you start forcing me to follow your rules or, worse, try to impose your rules on the whole population and use the "Think of the Children" trope to accomplish it...now you're seeing where I'm going.

And, to finish, do you not find it EXTREME hypocracy that the same political party that is frothing at the mouth to protect kids from "the gays" are the same ones enabling this horrific child labour scheme?

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wankerbot t1_jadkxe0 wrote

holy shit, all i meant was that when people say "think of the children" they are doing so under the guise of the childrens' well-being (whether or not they are genuine, or whether or not their assertions would actually help kids).

your "well they did think of the kids" is about as helpful as the "don't call him a [denegrating name] because it gives [denegrating name] a bad name" comments.

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human-0 t1_ja9zaj0 wrote

And even then, they don't really care about the children. They care about controlling the woman and asserting authority.

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BlueJDMSW20 t1_jaaeg3n wrote

It's called "empty rhetoric" and only true imbeciles fall for it.

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flaker111 t1_jab25bl wrote

lol like when they (anti abortion ppl) tell women just put the kid up for adoption.... and when you ask those same people how many kids they adopted.....

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BagHolder9001 t1_jabs2d1 wrote

that's the reason they wanna ban abortions they need labor that can't join a union

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Folderpirate t1_jacmxv4 wrote

And now you're starting to realize the point of overturning roe.

They need more babies in sunday school to molest.

They need more 14 year olds pretending they're old enough to enlist and die.

They need more people getting paid minimum for their company.

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oh_hai_fascists t1_jadpngs wrote

or if they are trans, then apparently they are treated like infectious zombies

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ckytho t1_ja9osep wrote

Seems we know where the migrant children went after they vanished from the cages a few years back

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DevoidHT t1_jaasm6m wrote

But they got the “oops you caught me” slap on the wrist they always get. It leaves a mark for at least 5-10 business hours. What more could you want?

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GroundForcesWTX t1_jab0020 wrote

What people need to realize is is that if a company is hiring illegal immigrants, they probably are breaking other laws too (i.e. safety, environmental, etc.)

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TheHomieHuglord t1_jabp649 wrote

That's the same shit going on that happened with the plantation owners in the South they don't give a fuck about any of the poor folk around them they just want to maximize profit at the expense of human life liberty and decency

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The-Mech-Guy t1_jach7xp wrote

'maximize profit at the expense of human life liberty and decency'

So... capitalism then?

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peter-doubt t1_ja8gb2x wrote

Well, sorta.... Divesting the controlling interest isn't stepping away, it's transferring the liability.

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oldw4ve t1_ja8i902 wrote

Hyundai has always had terrible labor practices, so much so that in 2012 a worker at one of their Korean plants set himself on fire in protest

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Dr_Eastman t1_ja8zpfj wrote

Kinda like how the Pallisades and Tellurides set themselves on fire too!

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DapprDanMan t1_ja90vrk wrote

Shit is that true? My mom got one a few months ago

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Dr_Eastman t1_ja91azz wrote

20, 21, and 22 models can randomly catch fire.

https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/consumer-alert-important-hyundai-and-kia-recalls-fire-risk

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BatheMyDog t1_ja9nmj4 wrote

Lots more than that. I have a 2015 Hyundai Tuscan and got a recall letter that told me it can catch fire. They said they were working on a fix and in the meantime to not park in any garages. Took them a long time to send the next letter saying I could take it to a dealership to get it fixed.

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SuspiciousBroccoli43 t1_jaak1hs wrote

Dump that car as soon as possible.

I had a 2013 that threw a rod at 50k miles on a busy highway and I got off easy compared to most people who had full engine fires.

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BatheMyDog t1_jaaoa2n wrote

Yep we are going car shopping soon. This thing is trash. It’s been in the shop 6 times since summer for unrelated things. Never buying a Hyundai again.

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AST5192D t1_jaazc1p wrote

You have a Hyundai and don't even know the model?

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AST5192D t1_jaergjd wrote

Lots of downvotes from people who own a "Tuscan"

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DapprDanMan t1_ja95al5 wrote

Oh wow that recall notice is right around the time she got it. Are car dealers obligated in any way to disclose that information before the sale? Seems like relevant information

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SmellingSpace t1_ja9g3ah wrote

If she doesn’t have a 4 pin tow harness she’s fine. Otherwise it needs to be looked at.

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zesty_hootenany t1_ja9pj1a wrote

If she bought her car last summer, perhaps she bought the 2023 model? That one isn’t part of the recall (so far, I guess, maybe?), so her car would be ok.

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unsaltedbutter t1_ja9dr9e wrote

New York Times had this article 2 days ago about child labor: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/25/us/unaccompanied-migrant-child-workers-exploitation.html

> Migrant children, who have been coming into the United States without their parents in record numbers, are ending up in some of the most punishing jobs in the country, a New York Times investigation found. This shadow work force extends across industries in every state, flouting child labor laws that have been in place for nearly a century. Twelve-year-old roofers in Florida and Tennessee. Underage slaughterhouse workers in Delaware, Mississippi and North Carolina. Children sawing planks of wood on overnight shifts in South Dakota.

You'll find a ton of very common companies listed in that article.

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wrathfulgrape t1_jaa7cez wrote

This makes me horrified to wonder whether some of those kids who were separated from their parents at the border and were not found were trafficked to these places.

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razorirr t1_jaai373 wrote

Look kid, you can get on the juvenile detention bus, or you can get on the work and send money home bus, up to you

- some farmer / roofer / meatpacker definitely.

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wrathfulgrape t1_jaaj2d6 wrote

Send money back home?!? What is this---illegal child labor paradise?

Gah. All of this makes me so fucking angry.

ETA: And because this is Reddit---the child trafficking and forced child labor makes me fucking angry.

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submittedanonymously t1_jac7ae5 wrote

But the REAL issue according to states this seems to be happening in is Drag shows apparently.

How come these disgusting people are so focussed on specific abuses and not overall abuse? Is it because they want to legislate against what turns them on and confuses them, or that they too want to profit from child labor?

It’s probably both.

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dustingibson t1_ja9727w wrote

I remember Hyundai plant opening near me around early to mid 2000s. It was a huge deal for the area. Options were either crime, minimum wage service jobs, or have the means to go to college, move out and get a higher paying job. We were told guaranteed $50K+ salaries and on the job training.

Almost 20 years later, they are hiring at lower wages than what was supposedly offered from start and relying on illegal child migrant labor.

Sad to see.

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galacticwonderer t1_ja9pj2z wrote

Sounds a lot like the American dream. Let the people work hard with promises of if you work hard you will be rewarded. Money just goes to the top and stays there instead.

Not like that everywhere but it’s soooooooo common.

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HereInTheCut t1_ja8fwng wrote

It’s Alabama. What the hell did they think was going to happen?

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Ok-Hunt6574 t1_ja8gcd5 wrote

They knew.

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GraffitiTavern t1_ja8gqru wrote

I mean they specifically go to the South for low labor standards

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Moosetappropriate t1_ja8jzon wrote

Isn't that why American companies contract to China for their goods?

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ArchmageXin t1_ja8kj6q wrote

Partially, but most of it due to ppp (purchase power parity) which give US dollar massive buying power in China and other countries.

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Moosetappropriate t1_ja8ksy0 wrote

So why do they bitch about other countries doing that in America?

Edit: Love the fact that I'm being downvoted for pointing out what the rest of the world already recognizes about America's hypocrisy.

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ArchmageXin t1_ja8lrga wrote

Tbf, Americans bitch about that a lot all the times. "Them Asians use slave labor" have been a trope since forever. It used to be Japan and now China. Hell, US government recently claimed the Chinese navy is built with slave labor.

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Moosetappropriate t1_ja8ry8n wrote

You still haven't answered the question and TBF America still uses slave labor as well.

Edit: When America removes the right to use slave labor from the Constitution, then you'll have the right to make comments about other countries.

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meatspace t1_ja97re0 wrote

If the American electorate was following along, we would electing very different politicians.

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Riley_ t1_ja91yfr wrote

This is an important thing to think about with international trade. Any time we import things that we could produce ourselves, we are putting our labor in competition with the other country's labor.

If we want our workers to have good wages and rights, then we should only be trading with countries that provide that to their workers.

Trading with a bunch of countries that use child labor, trash wages, and even slaves is driving down the value of our work.

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secondsbest t1_jaa5r9a wrote

The competition exists either way because poor people all around the world want those jobs too. It's the consumer that makes the ultimate choice with their wallet, so any company trying to sell made in America without a huge advantage in product quality or government enforced tariffs on imports is going to fail in competition with global labor.

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Moosetappropriate t1_ja932yo wrote

I'm sure the world will listen to America's pontificating at some point after it reverses the current trend to allow increasing amounts of child labor in society as well as the Constitutional right to use slave labor.

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GraffitiTavern t1_ja8r8cf wrote

Yea and it's awful when American companies do it too? Why are you defending multinationals regulation shopping

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UniversalMomentum t1_ja9638e wrote

Yes, but it also just so happens when your the richest country you have to outsource labor to make things cheap enough to sell them to most anyone but yourself.

I think that's the part most people overlook. America could make everything in America but then not only would we pay more, but much fewer places could afford the products and the entire global economy would grow slower.

Before globalism it was like developing countries were more linked to developed countries economies because they were trapped behind the inflated values of developed nations. Globalism is really just letting them make the stuff themselves so everybody can grow faster and it's actually rather generous of the developed nations to not lock developing nations into higher costs.

When you get right down to it Globalism has been the biggest wealth redistribution to the developing world in all human history. US and EU aren't getting richer relative to developing nations via Globalism, they are getting richer slower and developing nations are growing faster and for that developed nations citizens get some of the cheapest retail buying power in history... on those items. Not so much on healthcare or housing where globalism doesn't help much.

Soo you might be barking up the wrong tree when you really stop and think about it all.

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Moosetappropriate t1_ja97rgx wrote

Globalism is a symptom yes. But it comes down to American materialism and greed. Americans want lots and of the best of everything but they don’t want to pay for it. Therefore they outsource to third world countries instead of using American workers and paying union wages for their goods.

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HugeFinish t1_ja9ooe3 wrote

Do you think this doesn't happen in every other country? Do you honestly think Europe is some kind of magical land?

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Moosetappropriate t1_ja9zhba wrote

So because no place is perfect we can’t point at the US and say that as the richest nation they shouldn’t be expected to be better? The real problem is that America is among the worst offenders in this.

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mejelic t1_ja8t710 wrote

It isn't necessarily low labor standards, but low minimum wage.

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odaeyss t1_ja91yv1 wrote

Low union membership as well. They use that word like a curse down there. Brings up certain memories I guess

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slow_down_1984 t1_ja9eh4i wrote

Todays lesson in what human trafficking actually looks like.

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djm19 t1_ja9dcfv wrote

All these car companies open factories in places like this pretty explicitly to be able to exploit the more relaxed regulation of labor and pay they can within the confines of American law (and maybe even outside the confines of American law is the local governments are hush about it).

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LanceFree t1_ja93a8m wrote

“I thought you said you guys could keep this quiet!”

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san_serifs t1_ja96mm2 wrote

They’ll do the right thing…after getting caught.

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donegalwake t1_ja9jobv wrote

Now we know why they manufacture in the south. Those wages are crap. Probably some boss standing over you threatening to replace you with a junior-high school kid.

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FormerDittoHead t1_jacmwz0 wrote

#"Made in America" takes on a new meaning.

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basilwhitedotcom t1_ja9oilm wrote

We don't protect each other, and we deserve to suffer.

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crispy48867 t1_ja9op2b wrote

Red states doing their best to drive big business away.

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razorirr t1_jaak26s wrote

Not at all!

"Chang wrote that Hyundai was "in the process of divesting its ownership interest in SMART" but it would ensure "that the economically important jobs in the Luverne, Alabama community are preserved.""

Hundai is selling off their controlling share, but they are going to keep buying from the company like they always have. Basically they are just going "so when this happens again in 6 months, you can not blame us, we aren't in control"

You see the same thing over and over again in industries, the clothing sector is famous for this. They contract out to make the garments, get busted that that contractor was using child labor and then switch to another company, which surprise surprise, also child labor.

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bettinafairchild t1_jaafgkq wrote

And didn't Georgia or a nearby state just reject an electric car factory as well?

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crispy48867 t1_jaaj45p wrote

I think a deal like that, fell apart, not sure what it was.

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Happy-Ad7440 t1_jaaphuv wrote

But omg don’t let those migrants come to our country!

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grahsco t1_jacpl4j wrote

If you're wondering where all those unaccompanied minors at the border end up once they get through....

I mean did anyone think they were just coming here and going to school?

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