Cops straight up should never be allowed to shoot somebody for fleeing without extreme cause to believe that someone else is going to be hurt or killed as a result.

It should always be regarded as murder, otherwise.

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You spelled “hunting” wrong

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Nearly 400 of these guys, each heavily armed, were too much of a pussy to face a man with a gun posing a legitimate threat in a classroom, taking nearly 80 minutes to grow a pair and ultimately face him while he maimed and killed children.

But an unarmed person of color going about their day, they will call a freaking precision assault strike on their ass and shoot/beat him senseless.

Cops are worthless.

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> Cops straight up should never be allowed to shoot somebody for fleeing without extreme cause to believe that someone else is going to be hurt or killed as a result.

They aren't allowed to. Tennessee v Garner settled the matter already. It's illegal, period. Our institutions are simply abdicating their authority and refusing to uphold the law and hold these people accountable.

/r/PoliceAccountability

The problem with this is that they can just say they think that person was going to be a harm to others. Now they are justified in being an executioner.

Didn't you hear? They feared for their lives. It's a wonderful catch all for any situation where they choose murder over de-escalation

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When I say they need cause, they need provable cause.

You need a solid justifiable reason and a solid explanation for why you thought it was possible. You can't just say well, he was running and maybe he was gonna do something bad. Unless that guy was shouting that he was going to go kill somebody, specifically charging another person, something like that, they've got no actual cause.

If a cop can't figure out that a guy just running away to get away isn't probable cause to murder him, they shouldn't be a cop.

I mean if he was unarmed and running away, they didn't really "fatally shoot" him, now did they? That would be just plain old "murder".

get the shit beat out of you for surrendering or get shot running away these are your choices

This is the system we have now though. The problem is cops aren't actually held accountable for their actions.

Who is going to investigate the cops killing someone. Other cops? "We have investigated ourselves and found that we have done nothing wrong."

If they get to do this all the time without repercussions, it's not actually the system we have now.

Very clearly there needs to be another judicial/investigative body that investigates the police. I don't think anybody has doubted that for the last 50 years

Summary from another story:

At 10:51 p.m. Friday, two officers responded to the apartment complex in reference to a domestic disturbance. They encountered Bagley inside the apartment. Davis said Bagley got onto the balcony of the apartment from the back door, jumped down onto the ground and ran away from the officers.

That’s when Tyler began chasing Bagley. Davis said Tyler saw Bagley after coming around a corner and fired one shot. Bagley was hit in the chest. Police said the officers began to render medical aid. Bagley was taken to Ochsner LSU Shreveport, where he later died.

Davis said no weapons were found near Bagley or on his person.

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Oh, shit. Is it Monday already?

JFC! Still with this bullshit? If we're "the Greatest Nation on Earth", why haven't we even begun trying to fix this?

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It's time to take guns away from the police, IMO.

What would guarantee those that the other body could not be corrupted or for any other reason be swayed to be in favor of the state? I think that this would just be the same situation we have now but with more steps and even less responsibility for the police.

Reforming the system to remove any opportunity for police to behave this way is what I think makes most sense.

If we assume nothing will ever possibly work then we may as well just never talk about any problems. The way you are leading this means that literally no solution is good if human beings are involved in any capacity. You can apply it to literally any situation.

This is making the mistakes of letting perfect be the enemy of good.

or not running and staying in your car and following directions

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the problem with that is then the gangs and other bad actors will take advantage of things more, there needs to be a balance

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Literally what you described is surrendering.

Shreveport is a shithole. I can’t think of any better explanation

Guess some people don’t deserve sue process. Sarcasm

I was born in Shreveport and lived there til 1991(13yo). That place was a crap pile then, seems nothing changed.

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Maybe police shouldn't have guns.

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Honestly gonna be pretty hard to get people to wanna be cops if there’s still more guns than people in the country.

Because the US isn't the greatest nation on earth.

What makes these cops really stupid is that they didn't plant a gun on the unarmed man after killing him to justify their use of force. I'm surprised that their training didn't tell them to have drug baggies and/or firearms ready to plant on a suspect to justify your tyranny.

Imagine you're in a group of people that is known for shooting people in the back as they're running away. That's your career. They need to charge police with murder for this shit.

They don't even need to bother with the pretense of all that: they know they'll face no consequences whatever they do.

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What happens when you're handcuffs and they still beat you to death?

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To be fair it can be quite vague in a lot of cases. For example if someone is accused of a violent assault and then flees toward a group of people when police approach them is it reasonable or unreasonable to think he could harm someone if he’s able to reach the group. Or if someone is wanted for murder and flees police should police be held accountable for another murder they commit after escaping when they could have shot the person while they were fleeing?

This all hinges on reasonable belief and of course this calculus changes if it’s drug related and no weapon is involved or something but personally when it comes to fleeing felon type rules there’s reasonable arguments in both directions.

They should just say man because these murderers kill any citizens regardless of race (but sometimes race plays a role) they see civilians as potential perps (perpetrators).

Thinking. Ha, thats a good one.

This cop was amped up on adrenaline and probably steroids. Heightened heart rate from running. Big ego. Not a single valid thought flowed through that brain of his

guys,guys, when someone runs away from you that's a good sign. Save yourself the exercise and don't bother. Jeesh. /s

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Have you tried talking to Tyre Nichols?

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GG's my guys, I too like to S** post sometimes.

They shouldn’t be allowed to shoot unless they happen upon a capital offense in progress.

Why are so many people ok with cops carrying out the death penalty on a suspect, pretrial?

It should be acceptable to use deadly force when either protecting your life or someone else's. That's what I'm getting at, and murder is a capital offense where they do executions, so... Do we need a map?

Pretty much. Personally I think cops should mostly be disarmed, but I’m pretty sure that’s a super unpopular opinion.

I agree with that.

If they weren't armed to the teeth all day every day they might have to learn to approach incidents like human beings.

how come 99 times out of 100 the stories are always people running from cops over dumb shit instead of just dealing with the shit they did.

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I think underestimating cops intelligence is dangerous. I think it is an easy scapegoat and helps remove responsibility for these people.

Exactly. Chose being the key word here.

They did plenty of damage with fists and clubs not too long ago.

This is where welfare systems help. Most crime happens because of the system we live in and people's needs not being met. If people didn't have trouble affording food or homes we would already have much less crime and that's just the beginning.

Cops have framed innocent people for a long time. What would stop them from continuing that?

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I mean, the fact he got shot running away demonstrates why people don’t want to risk dealing with cops. If he wasn’t running away, maybe the cop could have suspected he was reaching for a gun when talking to them. Generally, the more time you spend interacting with the police, the higher your chances are of getting shot.

What are the odds that the Officer, Prosecutor, Police Chief and Judge are all related, and at least one of them has a confederate flag sticker on his truck/cruiser

"believe". There's the get out of jail free word.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Investigations_Unit_(Ontario)

That's how it works in Ontario Canada

Like Philando Castile?

Let's not give them too much credit here. I mean you can't think that they aren't actively making these choices to kill people. Putting the blame just on poor training and heightened alerted states is helping to remove the responsibility they should have for these murders.

>are always people running from cops over dumb shit instead of just dealing with the shit they did.

That they allegedly did.

Unless you're being lawfully detained you have every right to walk or run away from police. You do not have a duty to speak with police.

Running away from police is not evidence of guilt.

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look out Ned, they’re common’ right for us!

Then it is the duty of the people to yield that abdicated authority. The police don't get to be vigilantes, exacting death sentences on whomever they choose -- if they want to act like outlaws, then we must treat them as outlaws and turn to policing and protecting ourselves from them.

A headline right out of… umm… err… 1823

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Our courts have shown that they will do whatever legal gymnastics they need to in order to protect their armed enforcers.

In order for them to be held accountable, it will take armed citizens conducting citizens’ arrests of cops, and escalating force if they resist or “act aggressively.” Dirty cops, and all of the other dirty cops that protect them as accomplices, will have to be tried and sentenced by “citizen courts.”

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He wasn't shot in the back but you'd know that if you read the article. There's plenty to be outraged about here so the absolute bare fucking minimum you can do is be accurate about your outrage.

Hahahahaha good one!

0 reason to shoot him. Fleeing the scene is not cause for murder.

"Fleeing the scene is not cause for murder."

I agree. Interesting, the article says he was shot in the chest. So maybe he ran around a corner toward a police officer as he was fleeing.

They should release the bodycam footage soon so we don't need to guess what happened.

I'm pretty sure that there's legal reasons why media outlets like this can't outright say "murder".

Even though they'd be right.

I mean in this case they should say murdered, because that's what the police were accused of. Pretty sure there's no dispute that they "fatally shot" the victim.

How long of a list would you like of people being killed while surrendering and following police commands?

It's not considered surrendering if you are pulled over and follow commands from the get go. You know keep your hands on the wheel until instructed to give ID instead of running away, things your parents teach you. Surrendering infers you already started running. I am saying don't start running which is not something I see when we have these types of shootings.