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[deleted] t1_jd2n8yb wrote

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Apart_Ad_5993 t1_jd2o6l5 wrote

Because they have identified the person who did it and is being brought up on war crimes.

There will be hundreds if not thousands more; if those soldiers are even still alive.

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DeMalgamnated t1_jd3gtyx wrote

and if they are dead, their families will have to live with that stain on their house forever.

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Zerole00 t1_jd3xlgo wrote

Bruh, they're Russians. Their families would probably wear it as a badge of pride.

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crispy48867 t1_jd42jv6 wrote

Truth is never a matter of perception.

The shame will be on those family names forever, whether they feel bad about that shame or not.

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Duncan_PhD t1_jd7m7tq wrote

What if your perspective is the truth? What a silly thing to say.

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crispy48867 t1_jd8vqdy wrote

That can certainly happen but truth is never dependent on what a given person thinks or opinionates on.

Truth just is.

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buttflakes27 t1_jd40ujc wrote

"Oh no"

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DeMalgamnated t1_jd8cjut wrote

yeah i don't really see many russian soldier families giving a toss about who they killed.

too brainwashed that they are protecting the motherland.

still boggles the mind how blind and deaf the russian population is to what their people are doing over the border.

i hope they mobilise all the brainwashed fools and they learn the truth.

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buttflakes27 t1_jd9heea wrote

Mate, its the same over here. Very few people feel bad their son or daughter went to Iraq or Afghanistan and killed a bunch of 11 year olds to defend freedom or stop terrorism or whatever ostensible reason we were in that quagmire.

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[deleted] t1_jd2ry8x wrote

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stanleythemanly85588 t1_jd2xfgp wrote

several Russian POWs have been convicted of war crimes in Ukrainian courts of war crimes

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TogepiMain t1_jd48ozu wrote

Why would any country try their own soldiers for war crimes? That's not a Russian problem you just described

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Higira t1_jd4w0wj wrote

USA would like a word with you https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_convicted_war_criminals

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TerryWogansBum t1_jd6lwrt wrote

The US does it selectively. They literally sanction outside parties even looking into their war crimes. The war crimes the US acticevely punishes to a decent extent are convenient ones. My Lai? Couple of years house arrest for ONE guy. Abu Gharib? Extremely light sentences. Eddie Gallagher? Presidential pardon.

If you'd ever seen the aftermath of what they did at My Lai that "punishment" should sicken you. Hundreds of children raped and mutilated. An entire village massacred out of sheer bloodlust. And a couple of years house arrest (which caused outrage among the US populace, not the leniency but that any punishment happened at all)

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penguiin_ t1_jd55yz8 wrote

Because real life isn’t call of doody where you kick your feet up on the presidents desk after he brought you out of retirement for one final job

If you kill a civilian in a war zone even accidentally you can be facing decades in prison. This is something those Russian apologists and whataboutism masters seem to forget every time they bring up the US invading Iraq. Oh, and military prisons don’t let you serve part of your sentence last I heard too

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TerryWogansBum t1_jd6lzr0 wrote

My Lai, Abu Gharib.

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penguiin_ t1_jd6mkyv wrote

yeah they fucked up on those to be sure, and theres still tons of stuff still ongoing like guantanamo bay for ex. but whataboutism is really stupid and doesnt actually really work as a comeback the way these russian apologist bots are trying to use it as

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TerryWogansBum t1_jd7d5wo wrote

I agree there at least. Russian warcrimes are happening RIGHT NOW so of course they're the primary concern. But the US are pushing themselves as a white knight in this situation so it's important not to forget their crimes just because there's something more current.

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DoeCommaJohn t1_jd2p9ii wrote

It’s still important to remind everybody what Russia is doing and not just accept it

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radicalelation t1_jd3yoq4 wrote

Tbh, if we have the means these days to hold as many soldiers individually responsible as possible then we oughta. It can dispell the power of "just following orders".

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openeyes756 t1_jd3ljtm wrote

https://youtu.be/fc4aBuYiz4M

I'm happy to see the ICC target these individuals responsible for giving the orders and those who carried out war crimes against civilians. I'd like to see that doctrine applied unilaterally without exception.

https://youtu.be/4eLocrnmVy0

Journalist target, laughing about killing him and his kids "shouldn't have brought your kids to a war zone"

Edit: "valid military targets" can be justified with just about any target. "The Ukrainians were using the apartment complex to stage assaults from" or "the building was filled with hostiles and their hostages, we decided not to waste Russian lives to clear the building"

It should all sound pretty familiar for people who lived through 2002-2012 especially. There was outlandish justifications used but were readily gobbled up by American civilians beating their chest for more bloodshed.

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rich1051414 t1_jd3qdxx wrote

Are you saying that since there are so many murderers, we shouldn't even attempt to hold anyone accountable at all?

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DeepSeaHobbit t1_jd43kzl wrote

I think he's asking why this one guy is on the news. The answer being that they identified him and connected him to a specific murder.

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rich1051414 t1_jd4m08d wrote

To me, this sounds like "what is the point in climbing a single step if there is a whole flight of stairs?" You cannot climb stairs without first climbing a single step.

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Dejugga t1_jd6j03m wrote

It's actually kind of significant. In past wars, if you committed a war crime, usually the only witnesses were either on your side or a soldier/civilian on the opposing side, who have obvious bias. This made it a lot more realistic to escape consequences. People knew it was happening, but there was often nothing done about it unless it was particularly notable and there was usually a singular officer that the blame landed on.

Now, everyone in wealthier countries has a cell phone with a good camera. Not to mention drones and other video recording devices. Any soldier committing a war crime is much more likely to be caught doing it on camera, and the consequences may follow both him and his family for years. Not to mention it puts that soldier's country in the position of either disavowing his actions and prosecuting him themselves or turning a blind eye and losing face to their citizens and the international community.

Someone like Putin is unlikely to give a shit, of course, but it will probably make the average Russian soldier much more wary of 'following orders' in these cases.

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Ithalan t1_jd6sip2 wrote

I doubt it will do much to deter Russian soldiers from committing war crimes, but if they survive the the war and try to travel outside Russia in the future, they might find themselves in for a rude surprise.

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Dommccabe t1_jd7igqx wrote

Haven't they been firing missiles into towns since the beginning of the war last year?

There must be thousands of civilians dead and children kidnapped by Russia.

No wonder its been classed as a terrorist state.

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NatsuDragneel-- t1_jd3wh24 wrote

Would you like me to explain to you how modern mechanized urban push works?

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TogepiMain t1_jd48wlc wrote

Why, is it relevant to their question at all?

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NatsuDragneel-- t1_jd4at34 wrote

He asking about shooting Into apartment complex being a crime.

If you like I can explain to you how it works.

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