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gnark t1_jdlvpwm wrote

Reply to comment by Bit-Random in Muslim population in Spain increased 10 times in last 30 years by madrid987

But today's Christian countries are also discriminatory against minorities, women and LGBTQ people.

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A_Song_of_Two_Humans t1_jdm2ijh wrote

That's really not a fair comparison. And I say that as an atheist. That's like saying the shit Uganda is pulling right now is 'a bit like' the UK where there are also some homophobic dickheads.

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hiles_adam t1_jdm5lwz wrote

Whilst I agree with you that their comparison is in bad faith I would also argue yours is too.

Most western countries these days are hardly theocratic like the Muslim led ones currently are.

That being said the Christian equivalent would be the Vatican City, but even then there are some massive differences such as the absolute monarch being elected and their position not inherited.

But I do agree that the things happening in supposed Christian states are not the same or equal as those happening in Muslim states.

Although I would be curious to see an alternate history to see if its simply the difference in religions causing this or because of the technological, democratic and educational revolutions that happened in Europe which has seen the decline in religious thought and power throughout the regions.

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Velkyn01 t1_jdmmcxd wrote

Women can have jobs and go to school in the US. There's no comparison.

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gnark t1_jdnvs2d wrote

They can in Morocco and Iran too. What's your point?

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Bit-Random t1_jdm4kfr wrote

No, no comparison at all.

First of all, we should differentiate between the state and individuals within the state. Spain doesn’t prosecute and oppress women, minorities and LGBT. They are all equal in the eyes of the law. Abortions are legal. I seem to recall Spain’s public healthcare even pays for the cost of gender reassignment surgery and/or hormonal treatment (I’m not sure of the details, feel free to correct me if I’m wrong here).

Individuals? Spain has racists, homophobes and xenophobia, yes. This is mostly from the older generation. This exists in many other countries in Europe as well.

In comparison, many Muslim countries do prosecute and oppress women, minorities and LGBT. Many have different laws applying to those populations. Even in the Ottoman Empire, which the commenter above presents as diverse and tolerant, non-Muslims had to pay a special tax, for instance. And then of course, it goes all the way to the violent authoritarian end of the spectrum, where LGBT are locked up and killed, where women who have sex out of wedlock are ostracized and killed, and so on.

TLDR, all countries have racist and intolerant people, but “Christian” countries (if there’s even such a thing) don’t prosecute and oppress women, minorities and LGBT.

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gnark t1_jdm9bqm wrote

>TLDR, all countries have racist and intolerant people, but “Christian” countries (if there’s even such a thing) don’t prosecute and oppress women, minorities and LGBT.

Poland? Hungary? Russia? Uganda?

Are you trying to claim that LGBTQ people accepted by Christians?

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feverbug t1_jdqvfes wrote

A whole heck of a lot more than muslims, yes.

And even if it were true that Christians oppress lgbt as much as muslims do, then what the fuck is even your point? Does that make Islamic oppression of gays ok?

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