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vladijoon t1_jdkl2sp wrote

They're coming back for all those Moorish castles

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usrevenge t1_jdkui0i wrote

2.5 million

That's like 5% of the population

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jchowdown t1_jdkv8ew wrote

*by 10 times
*factor of 10
*tenfold

FTFY

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Bit-Random t1_jdlu3by wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,350,409)

No, I mean today’s Muslim countries. You know, the more relevant comparison. If a country becomes more Muslim today, is it more likely to become like today’s muslim countries, or like those from centuries ago?

Can you point to any Arab-Muslim country today that’s diverse and tolerant to women, minorities, LGBT?

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TheMadTargaryen t1_jdlwt60 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,350,409)

>It is true that during the period of Islamic rule in Cordoba, there was a great flourishing of learning, trade, and the arts. However, it is also important to note that the Islamic rulers of Cordoba were not known for their personal tolerance towards non-Muslims. While there were periods of relative peace and coexistence, the treatment of Jews and Christians under Islamic rule was not always ideal. For example, there were periodic outbreaks of violence against non-Muslims, and Jews and Christians were often subjected to discriminatory laws and heavy taxation. On one side are the Martyrs of Cordoba while on another is the Granada massacre of 1066. Also the Spanish Reconquista did not occur in a vacuum. The Christian rulers of Spain were motivated in part by a desire to reclaim their land and culture, which had been cruely subjugated by Islamic conquerors. it is true that the Jewish and Muslim populations were ultimately expelled or forced to convert, but it is important to note that these actions were not unique to Christian rulers. Muslim conquerors had also forcibly expelled or converted populations during their conquests.

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Bobinct t1_jdlyiru wrote

Explaining that Muslims from Morocco, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Senegal, and Algeria are in the majority,

See I would've guessed the spike was from Iraq, escapees from the war.

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Bit-Random t1_jdm4kfr wrote

Replying to gnark (#2,350,817)

No, no comparison at all.

First of all, we should differentiate between the state and individuals within the state. Spain doesn’t prosecute and oppress women, minorities and LGBT. They are all equal in the eyes of the law. Abortions are legal. I seem to recall Spain’s public healthcare even pays for the cost of gender reassignment surgery and/or hormonal treatment (I’m not sure of the details, feel free to correct me if I’m wrong here).

Individuals? Spain has racists, homophobes and xenophobia, yes. This is mostly from the older generation. This exists in many other countries in Europe as well.

In comparison, many Muslim countries do prosecute and oppress women, minorities and LGBT. Many have different laws applying to those populations. Even in the Ottoman Empire, which the commenter above presents as diverse and tolerant, non-Muslims had to pay a special tax, for instance. And then of course, it goes all the way to the violent authoritarian end of the spectrum, where LGBT are locked up and killed, where women who have sex out of wedlock are ostracized and killed, and so on.

TLDR, all countries have racist and intolerant people, but “Christian” countries (if there’s even such a thing) don’t prosecute and oppress women, minorities and LGBT.

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hiles_adam t1_jdm5lwz wrote

Replying to A_Song_of_Two_Humans (#2,351,491)

Whilst I agree with you that their comparison is in bad faith I would also argue yours is too.

Most western countries these days are hardly theocratic like the Muslim led ones currently are.

That being said the Christian equivalent would be the Vatican City, but even then there are some massive differences such as the absolute monarch being elected and their position not inherited.

But I do agree that the things happening in supposed Christian states are not the same or equal as those happening in Muslim states.

Although I would be curious to see an alternate history to see if its simply the difference in religions causing this or because of the technological, democratic and educational revolutions that happened in Europe which has seen the decline in religious thought and power throughout the regions.

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gnark t1_jdm9bqm wrote

Replying to Bit-Random (#2,351,725)

>TLDR, all countries have racist and intolerant people, but “Christian” countries (if there’s even such a thing) don’t prosecute and oppress women, minorities and LGBT.

Poland? Hungary? Russia? Uganda?

Are you trying to claim that LGBTQ people accepted by Christians?

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ARobertNotABob t1_jdni6mu wrote

This headline would be accomplished by one Muslim family having a baby every three years.....

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alvarezg t1_jdofk2d wrote

They're coming back 530 years after being kicked out.

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Greenfire32 t1_jdohv6x wrote

Wow. Spain gained 10 whole Muslims in the last 30 years? Crazy how nature do that.

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Kahzootoh t1_jdpik6o wrote

Replying to Bobinct (#2,351,099)

The war was in 2003, calmed down after 2008, surged again slightly in 2014, and then calmed down again as IS was rolled back. Most Iraqi refugees during these various periods of instability found refuge at displaced persons camps within Iraq or neighboring countries like Jordan.

With the notable exception of Ukraine, there aren't any fresh conflicts on Europe's borders- the vast majority of migrants are going to Europe in search of better opportunities, rather than fleeing immediate danger.

Most of them come from countries where authoritarians and corruption have meant they face limited prospects for improving their lives and any efforts to change their society are likely to be violently opposed by their authoritarian government.

Their only choices are to take their chances opposing their government or take their chances by migrating- which is why many of these people's deportations from the EU are not assisted by the home country, which understands that too many jobless people is a risk to their form of government.

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feverbug t1_jdqvfes wrote

Replying to gnark (#2,352,204)

A whole heck of a lot more than muslims, yes.

And even if it were true that Christians oppress lgbt as much as muslims do, then what the fuck is even your point? Does that make Islamic oppression of gays ok?

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Regularguy10369 t1_jdr3azo wrote

There religion specifically says to do this produce as many kids and take over a country by mass immigrations or seeking refugee status. ANd it is slowly working as there population grows and they demand laws are changed to protect their religious beliefs even if there families supposedly escaped from those beliefs.

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