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JackOSevens t1_jbheor3 wrote

Reply to comment by inab1gcountry in Numerous arrests after massive high school brawl that sent officer to hospital by DeathCatforKudi

Knocked it outta the park.

From elementary on up, schools across much of the US/Canada have never had less power to enforce any discipline. 'Discipline' is a no-no word itself. In trying to correct past over-suspensions (a legit issue), very little exists now at any level to correct shit behaviour. And it carries on up the line to highschool.

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Locuralacura t1_jbhfllw wrote

What's crazy is when teachers are able to discipline students, parents have an easier time and don't have to discipline their own kids as much.

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JackOSevens t1_jbhmbco wrote

Yeah, teachers are the stand-in guardian (at least at an elementary level) for 6 hours a day so that would make sense. There's always a couple parents every year that zoom in to the school whenever a kid loses a recess though...

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ClassiFried86 t1_jbhxdoo wrote

I read that as "show up immediately at the school" but it's 2023 and I don't know if you mean "zoom call the teacher or principal" instead, and I could totally see that.

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creosoteflower t1_jbhhlj0 wrote

>very little exists now at any level to correct shit behaviour. And it carries on up the line to highschool.

and on up to elected officials and rich people

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Comfortable-Eye679 t1_jbi388f wrote

I was a bad kid. Punishment as discipline didn't really work on me and it just seems cruel. I was abused and acting out but it would have been very difficult for the school to find out and stop the abuse. Impossible really as I was trained to lie to protect my family. I just needed love and kindness. It really seemed that many of the teachers were abusive themselves. It's everywhere and it's very common and it's hard to detect.

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JackOSevens t1_jbj2gb0 wrote

Yeah this is called context. We've known for decades the same approach doesn't work with everyone.

Also, that's a shit situation you describe, but EVERY kid needs love and kindness. It's not unique. At the point where one student's behaviour repeatedly detracts from the class/school's safety (rare in general, but there's often one-a-school) you sometimes have to mitigate that one kid's presence temporarily for the good of the rest. It's not complex, it's just reality. Removing that ability helps no one...boundaries help kids.

Teachers aren't paid to infinitely take abuse and you can't expect the quality of education to be high when that's the case.

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