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pegothejerk t1_jbgnupz wrote

Someone’s failed the students many times before it got to this. Likely multiple someone’s, at school and at home. Yes, stuff is complex, yes, everyone is so busy it’s hard to be there to parent, yes we use schools as baby sitting, and yes, teachers have their hands tied by ridiculous rules and fears. Those things don’t mean we aren’t failing them, and it doesn’t mean we stop trying to figure out how to make it better. I’d personally like to start by paying teachers more to attract better trained teachers, I’d appreciate it if extremists would stop using schools to shape the communities in their image, and I’d appreciate it if we had higher standards for administrators along with holding them accountable in ways other than how much they spend and what test scores look like.

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SmokeyBare t1_jbgqjtw wrote

Replying to pegothejerk (#2,188,655)

School employees aren't paid enough and are ridiculed by parents and media when they try to intervene. Parents are overworked and can hardly afford groceries and rent these days. So, we have a generation that basically nobody cares about, empowered with technology we can hardly grasp. It's all a recipe for kids who don't respect teachers, parents, or society. Our priorities are shit, so we get shitty kids.

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pegothejerk t1_jbgsnex wrote

Replying to spqrnbb (#2,188,785)

I’d appreciate it if authority today had done their jobs without corruption and bigotry so they’d be worth respecting. No one should blindly respect a title. That’s how you get “just following orders” type problems.

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Pickle_Slinger t1_jbgtbx5 wrote

Replying to spqrnbb (#2,188,785)

Unfortunately the parents are part of the problem. The article states that this started when a mother and her child came to the school targeting a student. Parents shouldn’t be getting involved in children’s disputes.

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Chiggadup t1_jbgtz88 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,188,761)

I’m working for a school district at the curriculum level, you wouldn’t believe how many of our “outraged that this is being taught” calls come from parents or grandparents who send their children to private school….

Edit: To be clear, all taxpayers have a right to know how schools operate in their community, but it also speaks to your point.

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Newt_Troll t1_jbgvq66 wrote

This was started by a kid and her mom...her MOM.

I can't imagine taking my sons to school with the intention of starting a brawl.

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Lostpathway t1_jbgyx4v wrote

Crazy that the timeline is such that reading about "a massive brawl" in a school is somehow a relief.

"At least loads of people weren't shot to death. . ."

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Boozeled t1_jbh17fg wrote

Replying to Newt_Troll (#2,188,935)

One of the I need out of this job moments as a school secretary was a mom picking up her child (8-9 yo) after an altercation and her loudly proclaiming how she hopped he beat the other kid's ass. Real class acts.

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HiHoJufro t1_jbh5qpv wrote

Replying to Newt_Troll (#2,188,935)

My highschool featured a boy getting his father and older brother to show up at the school with baseball bats to beat some kid, only for another kid to ask what they were doing there. So instead they opted to beat the shit out of that kid and hospitalized him.

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HydroCorndog t1_jbh9flp wrote

Replying to LindaBelchersLaugh (#2,189,270)

Me too, while in college. Afterwards I went on to raise 2 valedictorians. In college I was drinking every night and addicted to painkillers. It was immoral to have a child and I am relieved I didn't have to. Children deserve better.

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Pickle_Slinger t1_jbh9ieh wrote

Replying to Newt_Troll (#2,188,935)

Parents are an increasing threat to schools. This is actually a big problem in recent years and it is happening more and more frequently.

https://abc13.com/amp/humble-isd-school-fight-parent-fighting-with-students-massive-at-atascocita-high-unlawful-carrying-of-a-weapon/12755378/

https://pix11.com/news/local-news/new-jersey/3-parents-arrested-after-fight-outside-nj-school-jersey-city-official-says/amp/

https://www.wmar2news.com/local/parents-fight-outside-of-arundel-middle-school?_amp=true

And so many more. I don’t know why it’s growing but it’s a scary problem that isn’t getting enough attention.

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inab1gcountry t1_jbhb4bn wrote

Replying to Pickle_Slinger (#2,189,565)

It’s growing because: 1. Schools can’t do anything meaningful about bullying if the bully’s parents don’t care. Kids are getting abused by bullies and schools have zero power. Parents are taking it into their own hands. 2. Social media has made it easier than ever to spread nonsense and get people riled up, including parents.

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inab1gcountry t1_jbhbcid wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,188,942)

It’s fun to think that. But at the same time, I bet most of the students arrested can name one elected official in their entire state. Imagine thinking that trying to bite a cop is a smart play.

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JackOSevens t1_jbheor3 wrote

Replying to inab1gcountry (#2,189,639)

Knocked it outta the park.

From elementary on up, schools across much of the US/Canada have never had less power to enforce any discipline. 'Discipline' is a no-no word itself. In trying to correct past over-suspensions (a legit issue), very little exists now at any level to correct shit behaviour. And it carries on up the line to highschool.

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mind_the_umlaut t1_jbhfdxp wrote

The unanswered question is WHY? What happened that the girl and her mom did this?

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mces97 t1_jbhftxr wrote

Replying to Pickle_Slinger (#2,189,565)

I saw an Instagram reel where some woman was talking at maybe a city council meeting. She said she was told she had to send requests for things like the curriculum for her kids class. Mind you, this is a kindergarten class. She said they sued her and had a whole 5 hour meeting about her. This parent also said she sent 100s of requests. Not 100 (which is still batshit insane to me) but 100s. What the hell are you asking about kindergarten? And so many people defending her of course. Like no, she's not playing with a full deck and sounds like serious harassment on her part.

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kyleofdevry t1_jbhhgw2 wrote

Replying to Newt_Troll (#2,188,935)

When I was in high school my classmate received in school suspension for starting a fight. The next day her grandmother came to school and beat our principal over the head with a metal cane during class change. Knocked him out and busted his skull open in front of everybody. We went into lockdown for like an hour over it.

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kyleofdevry t1_jbhi1r6 wrote

Replying to Pickle_Slinger (#2,189,565)

So, what's the solution? Start taking away their right to raise and influence their kids, but still require them to pay child support? It's a serious problem and needs to be dealt with. People need to get their shit together and act right or take that bad attitude back to the streets because schools ain't the place for it.

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horkus1 t1_jbhit94 wrote

A police officer suffered a broken hip? That’s an injury you don’t usually see from just a fight. Ouch.

A mom was hiding in the bushes with her daughter to ambush another girl. I don’t even know what to say about that.

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figflute t1_jbhm5x4 wrote

Replying to Newt_Troll (#2,188,935)

We had a fight a few weeks back where a mom snuck in during bus arrival and absolutely rocked this kid that her daughter didn’t like. Fights happen so often that it’s hard to keep track, but that one stands out.

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JackOSevens t1_jbhmbco wrote

Replying to Locuralacura (#2,189,846)

Yeah, teachers are the stand-in guardian (at least at an elementary level) for 6 hours a day so that would make sense. There's always a couple parents every year that zoom in to the school whenever a kid loses a recess though...

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mces97 t1_jbhmmpn wrote

Replying to vampireRN (#2,190,188)

No, she's not crazy for wanting to know what her kids will be doing, learning in class. She's crazy because she put in 100s, plural of requests. For a Kindergarten class. Like, you don't find that a bit much and borderline criminal harassment?

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RebTilian t1_jbhnvuf wrote

Replying to inab1gcountry (#2,189,639)

You forgot that Schools can't do anything because of Parents in the first place. Parents are the ones who sued the living hell out of schools and now those same types of parents are complaining the schools aren't doing anything. Which is true, because the schools don't want to get sued.

When it comes down to it, its like 95% parents that are the problem.

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mces97 t1_jbhnyy8 wrote

Replying to Trugdigity (#2,190,247)

I have no clue. It was just her side of the story. It was a short clip. I'm sure they did. But she just kept going on and on. She was talking about gender ideology and grooming. So... She one of those people.

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PaxNova t1_jbhq7sk wrote

Replying to Newt_Troll (#2,188,935)

My mother once had her dad come to school and just sit in the parking lot making sure she got in the building, back in the seventies. Maybe it was different since she was a teacher. Some students threaten, and she took it seriously.

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atlantachicago t1_jbhqeur wrote

Replying to inab1gcountry (#2,189,639)

I think current parents are less mature and less civil than back in the day parents. My dad would never have brought a baseball bat to beat up a kid I went to school with , he wouldn’t have even dreamed of questioning a teacher’s authority. There are a lot more self centered, narcissists these days and they happen to have kids.

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jayzeeinthehouse t1_jbhqwhh wrote

Replying to Newt_Troll (#2,188,935)

I can, we had several parents show up to fight middle school kids last year because of he said she said bullshit, which, when added to all of the other crazy stuff that happened, gave me, and most of the other teachers there, some serious mental health issues that have only calmed by leaving the profession.

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Botboy141 t1_jbhu1yh wrote

Replying to Pickle_Slinger (#2,189,565)

> I don’t know why it’s growing

Our society is more global than ever. "Community" no longer exists. People live how they want, regardless of their impact on others (what's best for me, what's best for my family).

It used to be what's best for me, my family, my community, my nation, humanity, the world. Less and less people have an interest in those last few and some people don't care about the first few either.

Can blame internet, capitalism, billionaires, GOP, dems, commies, doesn't matter. Until we're all forced into a position to put societal needs above our own, things will worsen, not improve. I fear by the time humanity is forced to do that, it'll already be too late (perhaps it is, but I'm hopeful human ingenuity can still surprise us).

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edingerc t1_jbhz2qr wrote

Replying to inab1gcountry (#2,189,639)

>if the bully’s parents don’t care

Often times, bullies come from a line of parental abuse. If the parents in such a case do care, it only makes the problem worse, as it gives them another reason to physically abuse their kids.

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reaverdude t1_jbi068d wrote

Replying to HiHoJufro (#2,189,383)

This happened to me but not as serious. I was bullying a kid for no reason because I was a dumb shit misguided kid and just picking on him every time we crossed paths. He never did anything to me ever, but I was just an asshole and it was 100 percent my fault.

Anyways, he told his dad and his dad came to school and began threatening me. He kept repeating "want me to tell my son to kick your ass?". It kind of back fired because you could tell his son didn't want to fight and if he really could have kicked my ass, he would have already. It made his son look even weaker. Later on he sent another one of his sons to destroy my friend's garden with a baseball bat and kept taunting us to come out of his house.

Either way, I feel really bad about bullying that kid whenever it pops up in my mind but at the same time I was only 10 years old and the way his dad handled that was completely inappropriate and probably illegal.

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RN704 t1_jbi0ezc wrote

Replying to atlantachicago (#2,190,403)

I call partial BS. I’ve witnessed several instances of parents showing up to fight on their kids behalf. Granted in my day it was an abusive teacher or handsy security guard - but parents would show up ready to do harm (to another adult).

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crlb2525 t1_jbi2bt9 wrote

From the article.” deputy attempting to restrain a 17-year-old who struck him multiple times and attempted to bite him.”

A 17 year old student in middle school?!?!

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Comfortable-Eye679 t1_jbi388f wrote

Replying to JackOSevens (#2,189,803)

I was a bad kid. Punishment as discipline didn't really work on me and it just seems cruel. I was abused and acting out but it would have been very difficult for the school to find out and stop the abuse. Impossible really as I was trained to lie to protect my family. I just needed love and kindness. It really seemed that many of the teachers were abusive themselves. It's everywhere and it's very common and it's hard to detect.

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Jman1994678 t1_jbi5gjj wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,190,636)

I went to LSU, I was an out of state student. It was during a break that I decided to take Megabus from Baton Rouge to my hometown. The bus station was in the heart of Baton Rouge and when I tell you I’ve seen the some of worst and most disgusting types of people near that bus station. Drug addicts, drug dealers, extreme homeless people, and transgender prostitutes. From then on I always just carpooled to the New Orleans airport and flew home.

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IchTanze t1_jbi7rnf wrote

Replying to Rajvagli (#2,191,059)

I've thought about this too in regards to bullies and people who were bullied, and I think folks just want space away from their trauma, not to be reminded of it. I could be wrong, maybe it would bring closure, but I mostly would think it would be like wtf are you talking to me for.

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beeraholikchik t1_jbig2op wrote

Replying to Jman1994678 (#2,191,169)

Heh, the Megabus leaves from the CATS station, which isn't anywhere near as scary as the Greyhound station. I used to have to get a transfer at the CATS station at night and I'm a younger looking woman, it was terrifying. There was usually a cop stationed there so I'd go sit by their car while I waited for my bus because fewer deranged creeps would bother me.

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UnhingedGecko t1_jbigeyu wrote

Replying to IchTanze (#2,191,282)

As someone who has been bullied Alot in life (an autistic woman) the few bullies who came back and ate crow all made a huge impact on my life. I can only speak for myself but it’s so cathartic. It’s nice to know they feel bad too. Then you can both be free to stop feeling bad.

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fairygodmotherfckr t1_jbilhp8 wrote

Is the woman reporting on the scene drunk, or is that just what people sound like there?

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Fuzzy_Accident_5085 t1_jbiswhm wrote

Where’s the footage of this 200 person brawl? Someone had to be recording

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Nylear t1_jbiv672 wrote

Replying to UnhingedGecko (#2,191,583)

The worst is when you meet your former bully thats gets hired at your job and then they act like you've best friends and they never bulled you. Luckily they were crappy worker and got fired in a couple of months.

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420ipblood t1_jbiyr6z wrote

Replying to UnhingedGecko (#2,191,583)

You don't need permission from someone else to let go.

True forgiveness is a unilateral action and it's a much better feeling than catharsis (wrong word here since there's no real action you're taking unless "listening" is your catharsis) brings.

Seems unfair to put the "action" of forgiveness on the victim but it doesn't change the fact that it results in real positive healing and growth.

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PrivateRedditUser224 t1_jbiyrrf wrote

Replying to atlantachicago (#2,190,403)

I have to agree with you and point out that those parents were raised by the previous generation that tended to be extremely hands off and is currently showing their true colors with their entitlement. They're the fruit of the works of previous generations.

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MajorDonkey t1_jbj24mo wrote

I love that the mom is bragging that her daughter is a straight a student in a Louisiana parish school… So she’ll be managing the Wendy’s?

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JackOSevens t1_jbj2gb0 wrote

Replying to Comfortable-Eye679 (#2,191,052)

Yeah this is called context. We've known for decades the same approach doesn't work with everyone.

Also, that's a shit situation you describe, but EVERY kid needs love and kindness. It's not unique. At the point where one student's behaviour repeatedly detracts from the class/school's safety (rare in general, but there's often one-a-school) you sometimes have to mitigate that one kid's presence temporarily for the good of the rest. It's not complex, it's just reality. Removing that ability helps no one...boundaries help kids.

Teachers aren't paid to infinitely take abuse and you can't expect the quality of education to be high when that's the case.

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Witchgrass t1_jbj3d97 wrote

Replying to UnhingedGecko (#2,191,583)

My bully apologized and then died of a stroke a week later in her early twenties. That was confusing emotionally but I suppose that’s what happens when you walk around with so much hate in your heart all the time. Sometimes I think she only apologized because she had some prophetic guilt

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forwardseat t1_jbj6zhj wrote

Replying to horkus1 (#2,190,002)

Where we used to live there was a big brawl once, or the beginnings of one, where there were maybe 30 kids gathered outside the house next door and a girl beating on the door to the house, yelling about how someone had disrespected her (or her cousin? I can't remember). Cops showed up, everybody started getting real belligerent, and come to find out the girl who was trying to start the whole thing had been driven there by her mother. Who was also screaming about disrespect. She kept yelling at the cops and pointing at the house like she expected them to just be like "ok then, yes you're right ma'am, she disrespected someone so we should totally let all these kids start fighting."

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Euripidoze t1_jbj7zbc wrote

This is an alternative high school which means that probably nearly all of the students have criminal records before coming here.

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statslady23 t1_jbjbfnt wrote

I worked at a middle school in an expensive DC suburb (Virginia) recently. These brawls were everyday occurrences. Security would break them up again and again, and kids would walk down the hall crying or bloody. Rarely did anyone get in trouble. Shocking, actually.

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serrol_ t1_jbjcefa wrote

Replying to CooperHouseDeals (#2,191,364)

East Baton Rouge Parish voted for Biden (55.52% vs. Trump's 42.47%, a 13 point difference). Just about every city in every state votes blue, regardless of what the overall voting record is for the state. It's rather disingenuous to say "red state" when it's more of "rural vs. urban," and, in this case, it's a blue district that had the crime problem.

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statslady23 t1_jbjco6f wrote

Replying to mind_the_umlaut (#2,189,839)

Kids talk about other kids mamas in school all the time. Sometimes they are just trying to craft a good "yo momma" joke, but sometimes they are seriously insulting their parentage. Maybe that or other insults, boyfriends/girlfriends, past fights, theft.

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Lizardxxx t1_jbjfhmj wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,190,636)

Wait until you first hurricane. Folks will bend over backwards to help each other, but they do it with both eyes open. You go a week with no power, food & water running out, and zero effective government presence. You'll see the absolute best and worst of humanity.

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Rajvagli t1_jbjvweq wrote

Replying to reaverdude (#2,191,072)

If you can’t find the person that is understandable, but for you, it’s most important to accept your past actions and forgive yourself.

Social media could help you find this person, if you feel like looking.

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Nearsighted_Beholder t1_jbk8km9 wrote

Replying to SmokeyBare (#2,188,748)

Not only are they not paid enough, but administrators flat out refuse all disciplinary accountability, even going so far as to countermand teachers when they ask disruptive students to leave or be quiet.

I watched it happen in real-time throughout my career. A student would assault another student (sometimes we are talking felony level assault), they would get taken out of the classroom and the perp would return to the classroom before the victim (who could be out for hours or even days).

Visit any teaching subreddit or online community. It's the same across the board. Administrators are enabling a death spiral in academia.

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Nearsighted_Beholder t1_jbkal4r wrote

Replying to statslady23 (#2,192,732)

It's been adding to the death spiral of public academia for the last 2 decades. There's zero disciplinary accountability. There's hardly any academic accountability. Teachers hands are tied by 6 figure administrators.

A high school diploma can mean anything between an AP student and an illiterate felon who's behavior has been swept under the rug for their entire life.

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reaverdude t1_jbledwk wrote

Replying to 5zepp (#2,192,298)

Guess I should clarify for as yeah, that's doesn't make sense with just that information.

I had a best friend that lived directly across the street from this kid and his family. The kid I was bullying was the oldest of three sons.

One time when i went over to this friend's house, their entire family sat outside and waited for me to come out. The dad then sent his youngest son to come over to my friend's house and begin hitting plants, pots, the mailbox with a baseball bat.

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LindaBelchersLaugh t1_jblm3a1 wrote

Replying to HydroCorndog (#2,189,563)

This is the true meaning of PRO-CHOICE. I support every person who wants to have children IF and WHEN they want to! And I support families having all the resources they need to have the necessary AFFORDABLE medical care, affordable housing, food, and schooling for their kids. If a woman is pregnant and wants to keep the baby, I support her right to choose by ensuring she has access to medical care and all the financial support she needs so she doesn't HAVE to worry about "how can I afford it?" That's TRUE pro-choice.

And if someone (like me) knows that there is no way they can responsibly bring a baby into the world, safe access to abortion MUST be an available right. I'll always fight for the right to CHOOSE.

Congrats on your kids, be proud!

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UnhingedGecko t1_jblmtwp wrote

Replying to 420ipblood (#2,192,197)

Sure, I’m not waiting on my bullies to apologize to start working on forgiveness, but those apologies, and understanding what they were thinking and why they did what they did to me ( a big issue for me with my autism) helps. 🤷‍♀️

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MALECHIMPI t1_jblysfh wrote

I was jumped by a group of guys outside of my school once in a completely unprovoked attack. Broke my nose and blood was everywhere.

Decided to press charges against the main guy and he fabricated this ridiculous story that I had been calling him racial slurs like "nipper" which is a term for Japanese people and I'd never even heard it before.

His family was so proud of him for standing up for their ethnicity in the face of racism.

I always like to think that Karma takes care of these guys one day.

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Spiritual_Wonder_609 t1_jbmxamf wrote

Replying to MALECHIMPI (#2,197,038)

Those people usually pay for it just by the lives they live.

I remember one time I rode my friends bus to work on a project with her after school. The school stopped at a hood middle school on the way and picked up other kids.

I’m turned around talking to my home girl and all of a sudden I feel pain. I turn around and this little kid is beating me with his belt… while SOBBING tears. It was so bizarre, I could tell right away this kid wasn’t all there, so I didn’t fight back, just defended.

Wasn’t a huge deal, just weird. I laughed about it the next day at school. Somehow administration found out and asked me if I wanted to press charges. Now I’m not sure they knew he was “special”, but even at that age I thought it was kind of fucked up they were gonna treat it like a regular assault.

Only explanation I could come up with was that he had a crush on my home girl and me talking to her set him off.

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Lizardxxx t1_jbqawqi wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,199,595)

Had a grown man crying in my front yard after Gustav because I wouldn't let him pay me for a cup of coffee or for taking care of his 90 year old father up the street from me.

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