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Dreadedvegas t1_jd81pa6 wrote

Reply to comment by Lukescale in U.S. will speed transfer of Abrams tanks to Ukraine, Pentagon says by Just_A_Dogsbody

If the USSR didn’t do anything about Israel arms supplies during 1967 / 73 or arms supplies in Afghanistan. The Russians aren’t going to go nuclear over Ukraine. The US likewise did nothing over USSR involvement in Korea and in Vietnam.

Putin is terrified of COVID why would he risk nuclear annihilation? Even China has told Russia its a red line.

The analysts and experts who are worried about nuclear war are the same ones who didn’t think the Russians were going to invade imo

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Lukescale t1_jd83vgr wrote

And?

Why push him over?

30 tanks, with crews of 10 or more, given two weeks to train should be ready to aid training the next round when it arrives. That's 300 men and women, not nothing logistically on the Ukrainian side.

Dumping the all at once just makes them a target and will make pupu jumpy. Besides, Xi is the one who would really hit the button, for war if not for nukes.

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Dreadedvegas t1_jd85hns wrote

Piecemeal deliveries does not permit for brigade wide training. 30 tanks is not even a single tank battalion.

How can you expect Ukraine to train new units when they do not have the equipment to learn how to operate together intermixed with IFVs, APCs and other motorized equipment.

Conventional war is combined arms. To do combined arms the staff has to know what equipment is available to assign and fill out their organizational structure.

Providing small amounts of equipment in packages does not permit these new brigades (which contain 3-7 battalion of various types [armor, mechanized infantry, light infantry, motorized infantry, artillery detachments etc]) to properly train for maneuvering together which is what you have to do on the offensive.

The Ukrainian army has degraded. Its original NATO trained forces do not exist anymore due to casualties and the activation of reserve officers.

Also training someone on how to operate a tank is different than training a tank company on how to operate together on its own and that’s different than training a tank company to detach and support a mechanized infantry battalion to conduct an offensive.

Its not something thats like here is a rifle, we trained you how to clean and shoot. here if your bradley, the crew knows how to operate it. Go take that trench. Thats fucking suicide. Because the infantry do not know how to dismount while under fire, the other bradleys don’t know how to cover the others, do they know how to suppress the trench line? Do they have a reconnaissance element? Is there artillery observers embedded in the Commanders bradley? How does he correct mortar fire if thats available? What if they need to withdraw, how do you conduct that properly and not loose vehicles?

Ukraine is building 3 brand new brigades. It needs equipment. It needs tanks, it needs IFVs, it needs APCs, it needs fuel trucks, it needs logistics vehicles, it needs reconnaissance vehicles and it needs the equipment earlier so those troops can train and become familiarized before they begin training on how to conduct a combined arms offensive

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