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MSWMan t1_iqykf55 wrote

Reply to comment by [deleted] in Arizona clinic has workaround for abortion pill ban by Thetimmybaby

It'll probably be about as effective as banning drugs, which means:

  • They'll still available to many people, but some people without connections will not have access.
  • The available options will carry higher health risks than their legal counterparts.
  • Using the illegal options jeopardizes your freedom.
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meatball77 t1_ir2692g wrote

The horrifying piece of these bills is that the people who will suffer the most are those who have wanted pregnancies who end up in the hospital in crisis.

Those who want an abortion will be able to get out of state or get abortion pills. But if you are stuck bleeding to death in the hospital you can't take care of it on your own.

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ErikTheAngry t1_ir275zu wrote

You say that as though forced birthers don't see each of those as absolute wins.

People without connections are now not having abortions. That's a win to them. They'll probably stop trying there because poor people are easy targets, wealthy people are not.

Higher risks is effectively just "you deserve it if something goes wrong". They're absolutely going to be extremely pleased to see a woman eat shit for trying to have an abortion. Most of them won't even consider the impact to the fetus they're so intent on trying to save.

Same as above, poor people are easy targets. Rich people can afford lawyers. Just another way to help keep certain people under your shoe.

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MSWMan t1_ir35z79 wrote

Actually, no, I did not imply anything of the kind. You seem to be spoiling for a fight and, if so, you're knocking at the wrong door.

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ErikTheAngry t1_ir3szj3 wrote

No, not spoiling for a fight. Just lamenting that all these things that most of us would consider drawbacks, the forced birthers consider perks.

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jane_webb t1_ir2yfa6 wrote

Kind of -- abortion pills by mail are actually very safe and relatively straightforward to access (though knowledge and $$$ can be barriers.) The last one is the biggest concern imo. Plan C Pills is a great resource on this!

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MSWMan t1_ir3a1p6 wrote

I take your point for the pharmaceuticals, although access to proper medical procedures and care (especially emergency care) will be inaccessible without interstate travel or less safe, illegal local procedures. I think where this analogy breaks down is that these pharmaceuticals are federally legal, so they can be legally shipped interstate.

But this does remind me of another (coincidentally drug-related) case from a few years ago involving a friend of mine. He tried to order psychedelic mushroom spores, but he was living in one of three states where possession of those spores was illegal. None of the online retailers would ship to him, so he had to travel to a neighboring state and set up a PO Box just to get them shipped. This makes me think that you'll see similar restrictions trying to order plan c in these backwards states. Also, plan c requires a doctor's prescription. I imagine soon it'll be a crime for doctors to prescribe it.

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jane_webb t1_ir3gh3n wrote

The Plan C site gets into a lot of this -- it's generally already a crime for doctors in restricted states to prescribe mifepristone and misoprostol (the two drugs needed for medication abortion) for most elective abortions. Folks have reported having success with something similar to what your friend did, but for abortion pills -- using a legal U.S. telemedicine service and picking up in another state. I'm would guess there will be attempts to try to legally restrict that kind of travel/PO Box situation in the future, though!

Another resource that Plan C lists is Aid Access, which has a Dutch doctor write prescriptions that are then sent to an Indian pharmacy and then to the U.S.. Plan C also lists some sites in their directory that don't require a prescription, as well. None of this comes without legal risks but it's often a gray area -- just acquiring pills isn't generally a crime (right now) in and of itself, and USPS says they won't proactively intervene.

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[deleted] t1_iqywnc0 wrote

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MSWMan t1_iqywv2u wrote

There are states where marijuana is fully legal on demand that you can go to.

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torpedoguy t1_iqz3wko wrote

Except you don't need heroin to not-die, and heroin is fully legal in all states if you're rich enough or an "elected" member of the GQP in good standing with the party.

Just like abortion where it's banned save for that first part.

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VentureQuotes t1_iqz5tb3 wrote

> Except you don't need heroin to not-die

ehhh idk, tell that to people addicted to opiods

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Dretard t1_iqz947j wrote

Former addict, DT's will not kill you. You'll wanna die, but it just punishes you.

Alcohol and benzos on the other hand can absolutely kill you when coming off.

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VentureQuotes t1_iqz9f0c wrote

> You'll wanna die

guess what people do when they want to die

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Dretard t1_iqzab5w wrote

If they're actively trying to get off I'd wager their will to live is far stronger than you'd think. Regardless that wasn't the inference in your post.

Withdrawals aren't all that long.

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Dretard t1_iqz8yt6 wrote

Decriminalization is in no way shape or form the drug being "legal" and certainly not able to be sold.

There aren't any states giving out opiates recreationally.

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