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zxcvb94105 t1_itoatr2 wrote

Altered headline.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/10/11/palestinian-fighters-kill-israeli-soldier-in-occupied-west-bank

IDF engagement is tied to the murder of an Israeli soldier.

The situation is unfortunate and tragic for the lives lost. We do need to ensure that folks are aware of the actions leading up to the article - in this case, a terror group shooting and killing Israeli soldiers.

The WB was rejected by Jordan post 1967 and Abbas and Arafat rejected peace back to the 1967 borders. The Arab world refused peaceful coexistence and continues to do so. While Israel has peace with Egypt and Jordan, along with normalizing relations with other Arab nations, the militant organizations in Hamas, Fatah, MB and their support in Iran and Syria are too interested in their selfish interests. The people of the WB deserve better than Abbas funneling money to a Swiss account.

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TraditionalGap1 t1_itot9wo wrote

Is attacking military targets really terrorism? We're always condemning them for attacking civilian targets, are there no valid targets for armed resistance?

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zxcvb94105 t1_itovdns wrote

One example. 4,600+ Hamas rockets targeting Israeli civilians in the dead of night for a week. Without a strong defense, and interest in defending versus offensive obliteration, tens-of-thousands of Israel’s Jews and Arabs would have been killed.

Enough said.

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bawng t1_itp6q4v wrote

But that is not what they said lead up to this.

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[deleted] t1_itpkcwk wrote

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Bit-Random t1_itr1k9i wrote

Yeah, right, they probably do it for the lizard people and Martians to rule the planet.

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ATNinja t1_itp0dh9 wrote

I would say it isn't. But a terrorist organization can attack military targets and still be a terrorist organization for their terrorist attacks.

This organization is only a couple months old but has carried out attacks targeting civilians. So they're terrorists.

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Thokaz t1_itpllp4 wrote

>The people of the WB deserve better than Abbas funneling money to a Swiss account.

Then why does Mossad make sure that those in power, stay in power? Why does Mossad beg its neighbors to keep sending rockets and money to Palestine?

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[deleted] t1_itphy8z wrote

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Blackgirlmagic23 t1_itpmul3 wrote

Reading the arguments that were used by the settlers to justify their right to push the folks already living there out is a wild journey that I wish more people would take.

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CleftAsunder t1_itoo97b wrote

Palestinian engagement is tied to the continued Israeli occupation of Palestine.

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zxcvb94105 t1_itosiwb wrote

Palestine was never a nation. Jews and Arabs both lived in the Ottoman Empire region known as Palestine. There is no occupation against the pre 1967 borders.

What’s worse about this protracted claim is that it ignores that the WB was Jordan, Gaza was Egypt and hundreds of thousands of Jews were evicted, raped, murdered and stolen from in many Arab nations with no continued discussion of return. The same happened to Greeks, Turks and other peoples.

The world has moved on save the WB and Gaza Arabs. Egypt even joins Israel in the blockade agains Hamas. Fellow Sunnis. And Israel has repeatedly offered land for peace.

Instead the PLO, PA, MB, Hamas and Fatah (of a few political and/or terror groups) continues to push for genocide or eviction where the world moved on. The people have suffered while Abbas and Hamas pour money into Swiss accounts and Gaza is used as a human shield in poverty.

As to the current borders - Gaza saw all Israelis unilaterally leave in 2005. It could have been a new nation. For the WB, Arafat rejected peace as the loser of the 1967 war, yet he was given virtually everything desired except EJ. And now? Israel is stuck - the settlements are wrong, but Israel can’t unilaterally leave as Iran, Syria and Russia would likely create an internal conflict of Sunni vs Shia. Whatever remained would be hostile to Israel and a blockade would be impossible. Jordan doesn’t want the WB back.

Israel sees more animus from the UN and others in blatant bigotry. While far from perfect, it is the only nation that tries to protect enemy lives, warning before targeted strikes on Hamas, for example. Other combatants would carpet bomb and the world would move on in a few years; Israel has worked for peace for decades even after four multinational wars.

It is obtuse to claim Israel is occupier. It isn’t historically accurate and it ignores that Jews and Israel were there first. Selecting a preferential arbitrary point in time is disingenuous.

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[deleted] t1_its2efw wrote

I'd say it's the Arab occupation of Israel

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