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ulteriorwheeze t1_iu0vty6 wrote

People should boycott Qatar for their treatment of South Asian workers.

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Nick85er t1_iu1d5oh wrote

Most people are clueless about how those folks are treated especially across the Gulf States.

Unfortunately $$ wins the day.

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PauseAmbitious6899 t1_iu1dv55 wrote

Many moons ago, while working onsite in the Middle East, over heard the plant General contractor say “Egh don’t worry about it, they’re just Filipino” as some workers were carted off to the medical station.

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Fizzicyst t1_iu0vkgy wrote

Fucking traitor. I hope the money was worth it.

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kaicyr21 t1_iu0zcwi wrote

Yup. If true, there needs to be harsh consequences.

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SnakeDoctur t1_iu1dfta wrote

There won't be.

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kaicyr21 t1_iu1rv4i wrote

What in American history would make you think this? Genuinely asking. Every spy I can think of has been placed in a small dark cell for the entirety of their lives.

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broyoyoyoyo t1_iu1zy8s wrote

Well as someone that bothered to read the article, I can say that it seems to be a lot more complex than "he's a spy". He's not actively employed by the US government, and he didn't spy on the US itself. He spied on Qatar's rivals, some soccer officials, and he tried to influence US policy (aka lobbying which is legal). So the question seems to be whether he broke specific rules related to foreign lobbying, and whether he was allowed to offer his expertise (US cultivated tradecraft) to a foreign country. I'd say it's a coin toss on whether this guy actually sees the inside of a cell.

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AnarchyinGroland t1_iu31l4x wrote

Not a spy but a traitor. You do know there are laws about foreign agents right ?

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He wont go to jail because USA is weak and corrupt.

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AnarchyinGroland t1_iu31jaw wrote

Yeah like that Maria Butina who served a whopping 18 month sentence (thats what ? One once of weed in Alabama) for being a GOP/NRA escort.

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If she was spying for SA or Israel it would have been.. Nothing

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DANBlLZERIAN t1_iu13inm wrote

Really hope there’s a spike in treason charges for these specific US expats - should never be allowed back into the country unless it’s for a trial

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Yonder_Zach t1_iu199ad wrote

Based on recent news it seems like armed treason against the united states only gets you about 6 months-7years unfortunately.

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Pleasant-Fish-9741 t1_iu1b21k wrote

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title18/part1/chapter115&edition=prelim

Base it on fact lol

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RnDanger t1_iu1d56s wrote

I think they are basing it in precedents set by J6 trials

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Pleasant-Fish-9741 t1_iu1epxi wrote

The January 6th people aren't being charged with treason. The most recent guy Albuquerque Head plead guilty to assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers.

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RnDanger t1_iu1eyh4 wrote

This is practical information to incorporate into your expectations, I suppose. They don't like to charge violent insurrectionists with treason.

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The_Yarichin_Bitch t1_iu2oo5b wrote

Ok but that should warrant more time anyways alone, and get this, they committed treason and have no treason charges!

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groveborn t1_iu2aqwj wrote

Why? Legitimate question.

He didn't spy on the US, he was employed by a foreign country. He's effectively a P.I. using the skills he was given in service to his nation.

It's not betraying your nation simply by working for another.

We don't own him, he doesn't owe us.

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EmbarrassedHelp t1_iu2ly2w wrote

Some of these ex intelligence officers are using their skills to attack citizens of the US and its allies. For example: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-spying-raven/

> he had joined Project Raven, a clandestine team that included more than a dozen former U.S. intelligence operatives recruited to help the United Arab Emirates engage in surveillance of other governments, militants and human rights activists critical of the monarchy.

> Stroud and her team, working from a converted mansion in Abu Dhabi known internally as “the Villa,” would use methods learned from a decade in the U.S intelligence community to help the UAE hack into the phones and computers of its enemies.

> “I am working for a foreign intelligence agency who is targeting U.S. persons,” she told Reuters. “I am officially the bad kind of spy.”

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Cheap_Library5882 t1_iu3g8cz wrote

Yeah that's what the CIA does lol. Ever heard of a guy named Bin Laden? We're self-sustaining, our intelligence agencies train their own opposition lol.

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DANBlLZERIAN t1_iu2kdjh wrote

It literally says in the article they are looking into the fact that he may have influenced U.S policy

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groveborn t1_iu2lcjb wrote

Yes, but people do that constantly. Often at the behest of foreign nations. There's a registry for them to be on. Sometimes people don't get on it when they should, but failure to register as a foreign agent isn't a betrayal, it's a minor crime. It'll be akin to driving without a license.

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MSteele1967 t1_iu45wh4 wrote

"Driving without a license'. Whoa - huge understatement to say the least. If he has used his role/training as a CIA office against US interest he is a traitor and should be tried. Even if he had registered as a foreign agent.

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groveborn t1_iu5v5sr wrote

I don't think I'm in agreement, but it could be you mean something other than what I understand.

Dude isn't currently employed by the US, but is using his skills as an investigator to investigate people at the Olympics..

I'm not sure how that would be against the US interest. Also, speaking to lawmakers in an attempt to influence them - which is acceptable. He'd need to register as a foreign agent, but otherwise, not a big deal.

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MSteele1967 t1_iu5yykr wrote

I don't think you are understanding the situation as well as what limitations former gov employees with clearances are allowed to do and not do. He is not just some guy.

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goosewut123 t1_iu1bsnk wrote

>Company records and interviews show Chalker consulted with and received advice on some of his proposals from then-CIA employee Denis Mandich, who worked as an agency liaison to Silicon Valley. Those projects included a multibillion-dollar proposal in 2014 to have Global Risk Advisors invest in tech startups on Qatar’s behalf, pitched as a way to block the sale of potentially sensitive technology to its Persian Gulf rivals.

>It’s unclear from company documents if that project moved forward and Mandich later left the agency and joined Global Risk Advisors to become one of Chalker’s top lieutenants. Mandich’s attorneys did not respond to questions about his work for GRA.

>Global Risk Advisors also created a detailed security plan in 2014 to install a surveillance system in Qatar that could track mobile phones in the country “with extreme accuracy” and allow analysts to “isolate individual conversations and listen in real-time,” according to internal company records that include a draft contract.

>That plan, dubbed Project Berlin, also suggested creating a World Cup 2022 mobile phone app that could record users’ location and movements. Chalker indicated in internal company documents that Qatar gave preliminary approval to Project Berlin but it’s unknown whether it was ever implemented.

Those are some interesting known unknowns being aired out.

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MrBond90 t1_iu10r52 wrote

I read somewhere the average price paid out to betray your country is just something in the couple thousand dollar range.

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2020GoodYear2Forget t1_iu2f1wx wrote

Why did they announce this? I reported childhood friends for working as affiliates and I couldn't get a response. I know they're still active. I no longer worry about retirement because of this incident. Fraud and BEC for retirement.

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Run_the_Line t1_iu2rl5z wrote

This happens more often than people think.

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