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Oxbridgecomma t1_iu1a0tt wrote

Hopefully they get all the barriers to electric car ownership worked out before this goes into effect.

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Ftpini t1_iu2ao80 wrote

Or. You could consider that this is only for new vehicles and that the millions upon millions of existing gas cars already on the market aren’t going to just disappear in any short period of time. It’ll take decades before they won’t be able to just find and buy a fully functional gas powered car.

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groveborn t1_iu2ycu1 wrote

If you go out and purchase a brand new Ford Taurus today, then by 2035, you may still own that vehicle - it'll probably still work...

But.

You'll be having difficulty finding gasoline you can afford. It'll be around $10/gallon by then. It would cost less to get a new EV on loan. You would then want to sell your 13 year old ICE car for pennies, which likely won't sell at all... Because the people who could afford to buy it, couldn't afford to fuel it.

So yes, all of those ICE vehicles on the road will just disappear. Sort of. There will be some number on the road just because of some need, but they're going to be too expensive for the average consumer to use.

Gas stations are going to begin to replace their pumps with recharging stations. People will want to do something while they charge, so think "McDonald's" when you think recharge. You can probably glimpse this now in your local gas stations - they're starting to serve real food.

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razorirr t1_iu48c1j wrote

or the better option is you just delete gas stations as being a thing. Most of the Superchargers I take my tesla to are in shopping centers or grocery stores. Your once a week fill up becomes your once a week grocery run. Plug in, come back out 45 minutes later with a full cart and enough energy for the next week.

Your average big box store has 1000 spots. your gas station has 12.

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TenderfootGungi t1_iu49dw7 wrote

This is the US option. There are not big box stores in many large European cities. They do not have room. All buildable space is houses, parks, or smaller business’ already. Tearing them down to build parking lots is a far less valuable use of land. People walk or take public transportation like the subway.

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Ftpini t1_iu4fu22 wrote

Anywhere you can park a car you can install a charger. It doesn’t require massive space like a gas pump does. There is the cost to set it up but the space is not the premium need.

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nrrp t1_iu30i4p wrote

Quite a lot (around 200) of cities in the EU already legally prohibit sufficiently polluting vehicles from driving inside them. Meaning older more polluting cars wouldn't be able to enter them anyway. They can just update those to only allow electric cars.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-emission_zone

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dinoroo t1_iu3ki0g wrote

Technological progress will outpace these bans.

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motosandguns t1_iu1d1s0 wrote

“In other news, there has been a large increase in the price of used gas powered vehicles.”

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The_Yarichin_Bitch t1_iu1gxto wrote

As if there wasn't already with the chip shortage, right? I'm a biologist so I want change, but they need to have the new tech worked out first 🥴🥴🥴

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Agent_Angelo_Pappas t1_iu1m4z6 wrote

The fastest way to work it out is to force the market’s hand. That’s how you get legions of engineers thrown at problems with the resources and support to push solutions over the goal line, you give companies no fucking choice

And yeah, it’s going to be expensive. No one suggested fixing centuries of climate damage wouldn’t be. People need to get used to making due with less

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mr_schmunkels t1_iu233m2 wrote

Internal combustion engine vehicles require those chips as well

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razorirr t1_iu47vc8 wrote

Its worse, ICE cars refuse to get off tech from 20 years ago, and the fab plants refuse to build stuff that cant be repurposed. Intel told ford they would make them all the chips in the world a couple years ago if they ditched 45nm for current single digit nm tech. Ford instead decided "Fuck it, I'm going to get in the chip foundry business"

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dynorphin t1_iu25x2m wrote

I'm half serious when I say I'm thinking of dumping my 401k into low mileage, manual transmission vehicles and storing them in the desert somewhere. Some of these they stopped making already and the prices have rocketed up (a fj cruiser that sold for 40k new in 2014 just sold for 108k last month) others this might be the last year that you'll be able to buy some of these, they aren't gonna be selling v8 manual mustangs forever, the last m3 manual is guaranteed to be a classic in the future, the Cadillac blackwing is a beast of a car for the value now but I don't think they'll be as sought after, you already can't get a manual Vette, I think manual miatas are a good bet though and civic si's

With manual transmissions disappearing in America, and the future looking a lot more electric, and hybrid motors in twenty to thirty years all the millennials retiring with money are gonna be looking for mint versions of these cars that remember wanting in high school but not being able to afford as weekend toys.

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fjellt t1_iu1o8ii wrote

Is the EU going to help residents in getting power outlets capable for charging electric cars installed? Getting power run from my basement to my garage would require new wiring AND a new panel to handle the power requirements required for rapid charging (estimated $15K US). I can only imagine that in older homes in Europe this would be the same for home owners.

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hpark21 t1_iu24gac wrote

Probably much cheaper there since most countries over there run 220-240v in residences so even at same 12 amps, their cars will charge at double the rate of US and that just may be enough for MOST people since at that rate it should be charging about 50miles/8hrs. 110v electric usage is quite unique to North American residences. (Even most COMMERCIAL NA power is 240 1p/480V 3p generally)

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dinoroo t1_iu3knnp wrote

They’ll just charge off site while shopping like people fill up with gas. EVs don’t need a full charge every single night. And we already have chargers that will add 100 miles of charge in 20 minutes. Pretty sure that speed will increase in the next decade.

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Activehannes t1_iu3qmsj wrote

What are you talking about?

You cannot get rapid charging at your house nor do you need it.

Wiring up a new wallbox for you home cost anything between 700-1500€ depending on what you need.

And you can also own EVs without having charging at your house.

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AlexatRF21 t1_iu2l5fx wrote

And when will this be rolled back?

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CouldNotCareLess318 t1_iu1x4tf wrote

This looks like a great idea. It's not like they're having energy insecurity or anything. They will surely be sorted out 13 years from now, right guys?!

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Kizmo2 t1_iu2ohhf wrote

Oh, that'll work out well.

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OxenRan t1_iu2b2mw wrote

This sounds great, but companies cause the most pollution, not individuals. Do we even know the lifespan of electric vehicles? I'm concerned about battery life, waste, and plastic in all of the new electric vehicles.

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Arrays_start_at_2 t1_iu3bsi2 wrote

Longer than ICE vehicles.

There’s comparatively so few moving parts that they can last a long, long time. 99% of vehicles that are junked for anything other than accidents it’s because something expensive in the engine or transmission blew up. EV motors have ONE moving part, and most EV gearboxes (nearly all of them in fact) only have a very sturdy, single, fixed gear instead of a complicated and relatively fragile transmission.

The only part that wears out in the drivetrain is the battery. And the life on those is surpassing our expectations. The average 2012 model year Tesla model S still had 90% of its battery capacity in 2019. There have been posts from people with 300k+ miles and batteries above 90%.

The rest of the vehicle should last the same as an ICE car.

And once battery packs aren’t good enough for automotive use they still have useful life as stationary energy storage systems where energy density doesn’t matter nearly as much.

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OxenRan t1_iu5q0vr wrote

That's great to know. I can't wait until they have an easily swappable battery. A few companies are making electric drivetrain kits for fossil fuel cars.

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Activehannes t1_iu3qrtz wrote

>This sounds great, but companies cause the most pollution, not individuals.

The top polluter of this planet are all:

Oil companies
Energy companies (coal)
Meat companies

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soolkyut t1_iu3wtmn wrote

It’s not me that pollutes, it’s the company that sold me the stuff I use!

If they didn’t make the stuff I pollute with, I wouldn’t be polluting!

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Smart_Ass_Dave t1_iu1r36z wrote

Good. We can either change the way we live, or climate change will do it for us.

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