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XxcOoPeR93xX t1_iu5cbb7 wrote

Reply to comment by mymar101 in Sources: At least 6 people shot outside funeral in Pittsburgh’s Brighton Heights neighborhood by Bustalacklusta

2nd amendment or not, these guys would still be doing the same thing

Most of these guys are prohibited posessors and literally do not have 2A rights.

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nwdogr t1_iu5gp7j wrote

The 2A enables the proliferation of guns in America which directly supplies the illegal gun market. That's why funerals getting shot up on a regular basis is a uniquely American problem.

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XxcOoPeR93xX t1_iu5q7n3 wrote

Pretty sure funerals getting shot up is because we glorify gang violence, not because there's too many guns. I promise you this incident was gang related. The dude the funeral was being held for was killed in a shooting 2 weeks ago. The people literaly did a driveby this is gang related activity through and through. More gun restrictions will not stop this activity. These guys are already criminals. And criminals don't really tend to follow laws, hence being called "criminals".

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nwdogr t1_iu5rlqy wrote

Do you think it's easier for a gang in the USA to arm their members with guns or a gang in Australia/Ireland/Germany/Spain/Scotland/Japan/etc to arm their members with guns?

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XxcOoPeR93xX t1_iu5vuow wrote

I think that's a good question and we could genuinely have a constructive conversation about it if we act as rational adults.

>Do you think it's easier for a gang in the USA to arm their members with guns or a gang in Australia/Ireland/Germany/Spain/Scotland/Japan/etc to arm their members with guns?

I'm curious why you compare against majority European non-violent cultures with much lower gang presence. Japan has the Yakuza which would be the most significant all your list but every country you listed doesn't have what is considered a "gang problem". Why do you not compare to Mexico/Africa/Middle East/Brazil/Venezuela/Honduras/El Salvador, etc? Why does nobody talk about our closest neighbor, Mexico? Why don't we talk about how restrictive Mexican gun laws are (it takes months of paperwork, you can only have them on your property, you cannot carry one, etc)? Surely for a country with such restrictions in place, they should have virtually no crime, right?

Unfortunately that is not the case. While the majority of Mexican citizens are not killing each other in mass, the cartels are a significant cause for that violent crime rate. Interestingly enough, Mexico has a 1.6x higher firearms related death rate per capita that the US does (17.35 to 10.95 per 100k respectively). If firearm restrictions actually did anything about crime, surely this would not be the case.

Unfortunately, more firearm restrictions is not the closest correlation to crime. Crime rate follows gang related activity. That pattern is real and true across the world, regardless of firearms laws.

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nwdogr t1_iu6110o wrote

Let me ask it another way. If you took a violent American gang, took away its guns, and placed it in any of the countries I mentioned, do you think they would be able to arm themselves as easily as they did in America?

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ZakalwesChair t1_iu5g1iu wrote

Without the second amendment there wouldn’t be hundreds of millions of guns in the United States. Without hundreds of millions of guns, these people would be unlikely to have access to them.

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XxcOoPeR93xX t1_iu5o5ra wrote

Yea and even though machine guns are illegal, that means it should be sooooo hard to get a glock switch..............

Guns will always be smuggled in, my friend. Unless they're being smuggled to you, they're being smuggled to someone without your best interest in mind. We have the means to legally fight fire with fire. "Equality of opportunity" some would call it.

Before I continue, are you even an American?

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ricky_baker t1_iu5r6oh wrote

It’s completely irrelevant whether they are American or not.

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ricky_baker t1_iu61fge wrote

You don’t need to have rights in a foreign country to have an opinion of their society. Especially so if you live in one where daily mass shootings don’t happen.

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XxcOoPeR93xX t1_iu5rxdl wrote

Until you go to a gun store, do a 4473, and walk out with a gun, you are not aware of how the process even works. Also until you understand American city culture, kids with glocks at elementary school graduation, etc. So yes it matters if you're an American.

That's like me walking into a nuclear plant and telling the Director of Operations that he's doing something wrong. Who cares if I'm aware of the process, my opinion is just as valid, right?

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ricky_baker t1_iu5trf1 wrote

Your experience filling out a sheet of paper isn’t necessary for a valid opinion. False equivalency.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-gun-earlier-school-shooting-92204175

It’s a sham process when it can be circumvented so easily anyway.

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XxcOoPeR93xX t1_iu5x0c0 wrote

Lol I don't think you want to use that as a reference buddy.

Dude failed his background check. This failure should've triggered an investigation by the ATF. It should've triggered an investigation by the FBI. The mother and family was aware of mental illness. The mother had police oversee the transfer of the firearm to another party. Yet he still got his hands on it.

This isn't an example of needing more fun laws this is actually a perfect example of gun laws not working. And restricting guns even more will, again, not work. Criminals will find a way.

When we have no resources for the mentally ill, when we have incompetent federal agencies more concerned with disarming Americans than stopping mass shooters.

I agree that we have a problem. But I don't think it's the one you think it is.

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ZakalwesChair t1_iu60nn5 wrote

It would be hard to find if the second amendment didn’t exist and Gun manufacturers weren’t able to flood the American market with guns.

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