XxcOoPeR93xX t1_iu5q7n3 wrote on October 28, 2022 at 7:16 PM

Reply to comment by nwdogr in Sources: At least 6 people shot outside funeral in Pittsburgh’s Brighton Heights neighborhood by Bustalacklusta

Pretty sure funerals getting shot up is because we glorify gang violence, not because there's too many guns. I promise you this incident was gang related. The dude the funeral was being held for was killed in a shooting 2 weeks ago. The people literaly did a driveby this is gang related activity through and through. More gun restrictions will not stop this activity. These guys are already criminals. And criminals don't really tend to follow laws, hence being called "criminals".

nwdogr t1_iu5rlqy wrote on October 28, 2022 at 7:26 PM

Do you think it's easier for a gang in the USA to arm their members with guns or a gang in Australia/Ireland/Germany/Spain/Scotland/Japan/etc to arm their members with guns?

XxcOoPeR93xX t1_iu5vuow wrote on October 28, 2022 at 7:54 PM

I think that's a good question and we could genuinely have a constructive conversation about it if we act as rational adults.

>Do you think it's easier for a gang in the USA to arm their members with guns or a gang in Australia/Ireland/Germany/Spain/Scotland/Japan/etc to arm their members with guns?

I'm curious why you compare against majority European non-violent cultures with much lower gang presence. Japan has the Yakuza which would be the most significant all your list but every country you listed doesn't have what is considered a "gang problem". Why do you not compare to Mexico/Africa/Middle East/Brazil/Venezuela/Honduras/El Salvador, etc? Why does nobody talk about our closest neighbor, Mexico? Why don't we talk about how restrictive Mexican gun laws are (it takes months of paperwork, you can only have them on your property, you cannot carry one, etc)? Surely for a country with such restrictions in place, they should have virtually no crime, right?

Unfortunately that is not the case. While the majority of Mexican citizens are not killing each other in mass, the cartels are a significant cause for that violent crime rate. Interestingly enough, Mexico has a 1.6x higher firearms related death rate per capita that the US does (17.35 to 10.95 per 100k respectively). If firearm restrictions actually did anything about crime, surely this would not be the case.

Unfortunately, more firearm restrictions is not the closest correlation to crime. Crime rate follows gang related activity. That pattern is real and true across the world, regardless of firearms laws.

nwdogr t1_iu6110o wrote on October 28, 2022 at 8:30 PM

Let me ask it another way. If you took a violent American gang, took away its guns, and placed it in any of the countries I mentioned, do you think they would be able to arm themselves as easily as they did in America?