N8CCRG t1_iujbe4o wrote
Emphasis mine:
>The FBI affidavit filed with the complaint said: “DePape stated that he was going to hold Nancy hostage and talk to her. If Nancy were to tell DePape the ‘truth,’ he would let her go, and if she ‘lied,’ he was going to break ‘her kneecaps.’”
>“DePape was certain that Nancy would not have told the ‘truth,’” the FBI affidavit said.
>The affidavit further stated DePape told police that Nancy Pelosi was the “leader of the pack” of lies promoted by the Democratic Party. DePape told police that other members of Congress would see that there are consequences to their actions when Pelosi, with broken kneecaps, would get “wheeled into” the House chamber, according to the affidavit.
Top google result for the definition of "terrorism" is: the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
Other than the "especially against civilians" portion, the rest of that sounds exactly like what DePape's own words are describing.
aristidedn t1_iujh9ro wrote
Pelosi (and her husband) are both civilians. DePape literally engaged in the unlawful use of violence and intimidation against civilians in the pursuit of political aims.
He's a terrorist.
MuchConversation5076 t1_iujieji wrote
What is he aiming for, what is his goal or motive.
aristidedn t1_iujj9iv wrote
Your answer is right there in the article:
> DePape told police that other members of Congress would see that there are consequences to their actions when Pelosi, with broken kneecaps, would get “wheeled into” the House chamber
He wants to alter the political behavior of Congressional representatives through violence and intimidation.
arghabargle t1_iujjxmi wrote
>DePape told police that other members of Congress would see that there are consequences to their actions when Pelosi, with broken kneecaps, would get “wheeled into” the House chamber, according to the affidavit.
There's an entire article there, linked at the top, that you could read that answers your question pretty succinctly.
Dansondelta47 t1_iujkk3a wrote
It seems he’s aiming for her kneecaps.
N8CCRG t1_iujp333 wrote
Given DePape is a QAnon believer and promoter, his specific goals could be anything up to and including QAnon's ultimate goals: Trump and his supporters performing a coordinated US-centric (but worldwide) takeover of political and military power, rounding up and executing all that he feels oppose him, and installing him as the ultimate despot/autocrat/dictator. Presumably the answers DePape would have demanded "the truth" of from Pelosi involved the Q beliefs that she is part of a secret cabal that tortures children and extracts their "adrenochrome" to be consumed in their satanic orgies.
acox199318 t1_iujjgzl wrote
Feeling powerful and in control.
It’s not about logic. It’s about wanting to be in charge.
mces97 t1_iujgfch wrote
Tell the truth= back up my conspiracy theories.
fbtcu1998 t1_iujoq60 wrote
what I was thinking as well. Not surprised he didn't believe she'd tell the 'truth' because who the hell knows what he even believes is true
bubblegumdrops t1_iuk33z8 wrote
It’s such a bizarre plan because how tf was he going to verify anything?
I’m aware that he’d only accept his beliefs as facts but the lack of logic is confusing for someone not in the qult.
Chippopotanuse t1_iujl1fn wrote
I can’t stand Republicans.
But anyone who breaks into McConnell or Trump’s house, beats up their spouse with a hammer, and then threatens to break kneecaps deserves a SHIT TON of prison time.
It is insane and absurd that folks on the right are advocating for violence against political enemies, knowing that mentally ill folks like this guy will respond with violence.
All the GOP “stand back and stand by”, “fight like hell”, “take our country back”, and “will be wild” crap needs to end.
Sanpaku t1_iujq2av wrote
>Since 2018, the term "stochastic terrorism" has become a popular term used when discussing lone wolf attacks. While the exact definition has morphed over time, it has commonly come to refer to a concept whereby consistently demonizing or dehumanizing a targeted group or individual results in violence that is statistically likely, but cannot be easily accurately predicted.
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>A variation of this stochastic terrorism model was later adapted to describe public speech that can be expected to incite terrorism without a direct organizational link between the inciter and the perpetrator. The term "stochastic" is used in this instance to describe the random, probabilistic nature of its effect; whether or not an attack actually takes place. The stochastic terrorist in this context does not direct the actions of any particular individual or members of a group. Rather, the stochastic terrorist gives voice to a specific ideology via mass media with the aim of optimizing its dissemination.
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>It is in this manner that the stochastic terrorist is thought to randomly incite individuals predisposed to acts of violence. Because stochastic terrorists do not target and incite individual perpetrators of terror with their message, the perpetrator may be labeled a lone wolf by law enforcement, while the inciters avoid legal culpability and public scrutiny.
jigokubi t1_iujo65y wrote
Agreed. The average Republican is appalled by this event. But the message of people like Trump speaks straight to unstable people like this, or the goons that wanted to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer, or—how much time have you got, it's a long list.
ButtMilkyCereal t1_iujq7h7 wrote
Bullshit. This is what the average republican wants, as evidenced that they keep voting for lunatics through the primaries and then into office. They won't hold themselves accountable, and are egging themselves into a civil war.
jigokubi t1_iujsajl wrote
>they keep voting for lunatics through the primaries and then into office
This is the core of the problem.
This is why I get so irritated when the only response people have to Jan 6th is "But, BLM looting!"
They never own up to what voting for Donald Trump lead to. Instead they make the false assertion that Democrats support violent protests.
I stand by my assertion that the average Republican doesn't like this. The problem is they keep voting Republican even when party has been taken over by lunatics.
To be fair, the party was already a terrible choice to begin with. There's a reason why Trump was appealing to Republican voters.
ButtMilkyCereal t1_iujvw0d wrote
To repeat a phrase, it's a distinction without a difference. It doesn't matter if they're actually terrible people themselves, or just supporting terrible people while they do terrible things to the rest of us.
CrashB111 t1_iuk9ep7 wrote
If they keep voting for the inmates to run the asylum, they support it. Full stop. Tacit approval is approval nonetheless.
You can't vote for insanity, then just wring your hands afterwards and claim, "But I HAAAD to do it! The other option was a Democrat!"
fight_your_friends t1_iukaxsp wrote
> The average Republican is appalled by this event
As indicated by what, exactly? The fact that they've been spreading conspiracy theories about the situation and the motivation of the terrorist?
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Chary-Ka t1_iujje35 wrote
Good thing CPAC had the giant words stating "We Are All Domestic Terrorist"
shinobi7 t1_iujuyto wrote
When they tell us who they are, believe them.
lowdownfool t1_iujvxpf wrote
Yep. We thought it was "funny" when they said "Better Russian Than Democrat" way back when. Look where we're at now.
shinobi7 t1_iuk77yw wrote
Yeah, those two old guys were probably harmless, but after January 6, the Buffalo supermarket massacre, and now Paul Pelosi being attacked, there is now a sizable portion of this country that has been radicalized and would take up arms against us, if the conditions were right.
thefunivehad t1_iujesyf wrote
To these yokels “might makes right.”
They have no brain so the only thing they have going for them is terrorism. Strong arm everyone into their way of thinking…and the irony is that about 99% of them are cowards.
TifCreates t1_iujpdt7 wrote
And all of the idiots who incited this should be arrested too! This is the result of LIES!
mahabraja t1_iujpqwt wrote
The problem is that this terrorism is inspired directly by republican members sitting in government currently. This does not end until the big mouths receive their charges as well.
supagirl277 t1_iujxnpd wrote
He also wanted to lure in other congress people once he had her. It also took Nancy too long to come home, so he told her husband that he’d be taking the beating instead
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