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Cricketcaser t1_ithclt6 wrote

"They are still of the opinion that people are after them, but the elements of the investigation do not meet the criteria for protective custody,"

So, this family thinks some group is after them, but either they don't want or the police don't want to protect them?

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IMLcon t1_ithgxlc wrote

Anthony Cirigliano allegedly is reporting that he has information about the 9/11 attacks and fears that one of the alphabet soup agencies are coming for him and his family.

https://www.insideedition.com/michigan-family-of-4-missing-after-dad-calls-cops-about-911-conspiracies-77563

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Snooty_Cutie t1_ithjivh wrote

I’m not sure if the story just got a whole lot more interesting, or if I should just roll my eyes; either way that’s one hell of a twist in the story.

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irwinlegends t1_ithlg89 wrote

The story began with him calling 911 and asking for police to come to his home while he reported the sensitive information he believed he had discovered. He works in financial software.

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my_name_is_reed t1_ithneex wrote

I kind of feel like if you had serious evidence of something happening on 9/11 due to your position in the financial industry calling 911 wouldn't be how you reported it. I bet he does work where he says, but that is some batshit logic

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irwinlegends t1_ithrvtt wrote

He was not calling 911 to report his "evidence."

He called 911 to request that police come to his home to protect his family while he reported his findings to the government. He specifically requested a sergeant that he knew personally. I don't know if that guy ever showed up, but it seems he took his family on the run shortly after.

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Gibberish5 t1_itikxf3 wrote

Weird. If he knew the guy personally you’d think he’d have the opportunity to get his contact information to contact him directly.

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lidsville76 t1_itj8p47 wrote

By doing that, there is a record of the call and request to speak with said officer. It has been recorded for evidence, so it will be difficult to deny he called asking for Sgt. Bestbud.

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N3UROTOXINsRevenge t1_itkwaqk wrote

I mean, financial record that were accidentally filed and not destroyed is why we have info about MKUltra, so not unbelievable so far…

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LadyFoxfire t1_iti4m82 wrote

There’s so many conspiracy theories about 9/11 that even if someone did stumble onto the truth (assuming it differs from the official story) the government would likely just ignore that person and let their claims get lost in the noise. Assassinating them would just draw attention to their claims and encourage conspiracy theorists to latch onto that (true) version instead of a false narrative.

The only exception would be if this guy had hard evidence, like a recording of W plotting the attacks, but in that case the smart thing to do is to release it publicly before the government has a chance to silence you. They’ll probably still send you to jail, but they have no incentive to disappear you if the damage has already been done.

No, this sounds like a pretty straightforward case of paranoid delusions. I hope this guy gets help before he does anything he regrets.

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fvb955cd t1_itimbqv wrote

We're also past the 20 year mark where higher ups and those potentially in the know are retired and at an age where they're losing their health and influence.

I work for the government. When I see someone from 20 years ago fucked my reaction is "someone from 20 years ago fucked up" and the old person in the office goes "oh yeah they retired a few years after I started" and you move on and fix the fuck up, not cover it up to protect someone who has been retired for 17 years from a 17 year late negative performance rating.

Obviously a 911 conspiracy is more significant than someone who wrote an incorrect report or whatever but the fact is that the government is millions of individuals and you need a whole lot of loyalty to keep secrets safe once you're gone, same as any large organization.

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veggeble t1_itj8p0u wrote

Also, The 28 pages has been declassified for some time. We already have a pretty good idea who the financial backers of 9/11 were. Anything he discovered in some financial database would only be a piece of the puzzle, and would almost certainly require additional evidence from elsewhere (which he probably can’t access) to know for certain it is directly related to 9/11.

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Dultsboi t1_itjftzc wrote

If he’s telling the truth, he could’ve stumbled on the missing money that was being traded and transferred out of the towers computers during the attacks. Something the courts said were probably fraud, but “wasn’t a conspiracy” because it didn’t involve al-Qaeda.

Something like 500 million dollars disappeared during the attacks, and I highly doubt office workers were still doing trading after both planes hit.

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Consistent_Sector_19 t1_itkp84d wrote

There were high number billions of dollars in suspicious unclaimed shorts placed just before the 9/11 attacks. Word leaked that the SEC had been called in to investigate whether someone had used foreknowledge of the attacks to make bets on the stock market that would have been huge winners, tipping off any potential conspirators. The options expired without being used, which added suspicion that someone wealthy and connected was in on the attacks. I thought the trail hit a dead end with a brokerage in mideast, but if there were any evidence left, financial software with a long archive could hold it. OTOH, This is the kind of thing you'd expect from a kook.

I think this is a wait and see kind of story. I hope there's more followup.

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Dultsboi t1_itnkm4m wrote

One of the CEO’s of the reading firms that were in the towers straight up quit the next day. Leaving behind a 30ish million dollar a year salary. Lmfao if that doesn’t sound suspicious I don’t know what does

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AdultbabyEinstein t1_ithnszx wrote

Ugh lemme guess, he's a Q nutter?

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irwinlegends t1_ithsiy3 wrote

Judging from his facebook page, he seems like a normal, sane, boring, suburban dad. Up until this week anyway.

He's into following the weather, loves his wife and kids, and got his covid booster.

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Alwayssunnyinarizona t1_itihf39 wrote

>got his covid booster

Well there you go. 5G reception: on. Must be how they found him. ^s

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Samiel_Fronsac t1_itisru0 wrote

>Well there you go. 5G reception: on. Must be how they found him. ^s

Damn. In my country we are at the third booster shot and I'm still getting shit reception.

Which ABC agency should I complain to?

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LadyFoxfire t1_iti4xkc wrote

Sounds more like he’s suffering from clinical paranoia. He doesn’t sound hateful, just frightened.

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sjfiuauqadfj t1_itil76y wrote

theres actually a sub on here dedicated to people who think like that. the psych term for this type of idiocy is gang stalking if you want to dive into that rabbit hole of mental health issues

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themoogleknight t1_itiyrj6 wrote

I started reading that sub and others similar a few years ago and started to feel like *I* was going crazy after awhile..

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ExplorerWestern7319 t1_itkx7ns wrote

What sub is that. When i was a child i latched onto this idea that everyone was out to get me. I couldn't let on that i knes because then everyone would know that i knew. This started around 5 years old and by about 10 it had faded away. I wouldn't mind reading other people's stories.

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sjfiuauqadfj t1_itsccpo wrote

oh its not stories its literally just people who believe what you believed but they are adults and some of them own guns. /r/gangstalking is the sub

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IrishRogue3 t1_itimi9e wrote

Well now that the agencies know where they are if there is a murder suicide to follow I guess he was right

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heathers1 t1_itj2p06 wrote

Probably deep in Qanon conspiracies. Those poor kids.

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Ok_Valuable_356 t1_ithzreo wrote

Might consider themselves “targeted individuals”

Vice did a story about similar folk

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ScrewAttackThis t1_itjvp3x wrote

I'm gonna have to save this for later. I can't remember the details but I'm pretty sure there was a super weird case where a family suddenly vanished and it was uncovered that they went through some sort of mass paranoia.

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l0c0dantes t1_itir8gx wrote

> They are still of the opinion that people are after them,

I mean, seeing as it made national news, they aren't that wrong. Seems like this search would feed directly into that belief

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SPEEDANDMOMENTUM t1_itkhodp wrote

I'm pretty certain the police just don't believe whatever they are claiming.

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Sardine_Sandwich t1_ithav69 wrote

Thank goodness, I had a bad feeling the father was going to do something drastic to his family, I'm glad they're safe.

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Fast_Garlic_5639 t1_itj8431 wrote

Grabbing a bugout bag and driving your family halfway across the country unannounced is fairly drastic though?

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ruttin_mudders t1_itm3uzq wrote

Was definitely drastic but Michigan to Wisconsin is nowhere close to halfway across the country.

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Macluawn t1_ithq7ok wrote

Or the mother. Let us misjudge people equally.

My pet theory was that Livia poisoned them

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NihlusKryik t1_ithsc4z wrote

I mean, statistics are a thing. It would be an easy bet on the father.

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SaintsNoah t1_itixhxs wrote

Not defending the person your replying to, their comment seemed pretty stupid but couldn't you say the same to some of the extremely racist comments that headlines often bring about.

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justforthearticles20 t1_ithxjp6 wrote

Mentally unstable Father takes family on crazy Train. Police send them home with him.

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smoke1966 t1_itj4w4t wrote

I think the grandmother dementia is hereditary...

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PM_ME_UR_DIET_TIPS t1_ithaxex wrote

I’m flabbergasted they’re still alive.

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Startled_Pancakes t1_itpmual wrote

This is more common than you might think. There is a whole online community of people who have persecutory delusions called Gang Stalking. There was a podcast of a woman who's whole childhood she grew up constantly randomly moving and cutting contact with family because her mom's boyfriend suffered from this mental illness, and convinced the mother she too was being followed.

It's like the primate part of the brain that says "there's a predator in those bushes" is always stuck in the ON position.

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ineclipse t1_ithxy98 wrote

so...they left their demented mom behind, unsupervised, along with their pets? have I got that right? but it's okay, because they're all fine? have I got that right?

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blondchick12 t1_itib7s8 wrote

I think okay must be relative to how many including myself thought this was not going to end with them all being found alive. Whether they are all alive and "well" hat is to be determined. Hopefully, family and mental health professionals can step in as needed. I assume it was very out of character for this family to do such as thing as leaving the elderly mom and pets behind...

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Diligent-Double-9795 t1_itif15c wrote

I am glad they are found, and safe. It reminded me of a similar Australian family incident from 2016. Mental health is a fragile thing. Look after it, and look out for your friends, family and neighbours.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/sep/02/police-search-for-missing-man-after-family-break-up-on-bizarre-road-trip

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emolga587 t1_itihznb wrote

I had hoped this would be a similar outcome, but I was afraid it was wishful thinking on my part

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Diligent-Double-9795 t1_itijoiz wrote

I'm not sure what you mean by that, sorry?

They are still alive, and having the issues addressed aren't they?

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emolga587 t1_itikg88 wrote

Yes, sorry for being unclear. When I first heard about the Michigan family, I thought of the family from Australia. I hoped that everyone would end up being okay, but at the time I thought it was wishful thinking. I'm glad that it was not wishful thinking.

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Diligent-Double-9795 t1_itil8kr wrote

Oh, ok. Yes, I must admit I wasn't hopeful either, sadly. I'm just happy they are ok, and getting help.

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chobrien01007 t1_itin4gf wrote

but are they having their issues addressed?

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Diligent-Double-9795 t1_itinncu wrote

I couldn't say for sure, I'm not there. And mental health services and funding are severely lacking globally. Just the fact that the issues are out in the open, and no innocent bystanders were harmed, and authorities are aware of this man's situation and line of thinking is a step forward from what could have been, that's all.

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chobrien01007 t1_itioy8m wrote

you make valid points. But situations like this can deteriorate very quickly. The fact that no one was taken into custody is frightening.

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Diligent-Double-9795 t1_itirs5u wrote

I'm not sure I'm following? Situations like this can also improve very quickly, with the right monitoring and meds. And custody for what? He internalised his whole psychosis and ran, hiding. He didn't threaten to, or shoot up the govt. Mental illness isn't a crime. He hasn't made great choices, but unless I'm missing something, he isn't criminal.

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LowDownSkankyDude t1_iti2k5i wrote

This feels like the beginning of a tragedy.

This guy swallowed conspiracy theories whole, has a family history of dementia, and thinks someone is after him to the point that he relocated his family. The cops hear this, think nothing of it, and send him on his way. So either the threat to his family isn't credible, and this dude is dangerously delusional, or the threat is real, making the cops look incompetent either way.

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ReneDeGames t1_itj9dz4 wrote

Lets presume the guy is crazy, what should the cops do? lock him up?

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FG88_NR t1_itk32tn wrote

Presuming the father is crazy, maybe not leaving the kids with him while he's having an episode would be a good start.

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FaithlessVaper t1_itkct6a wrote

A simple 24 hour psychiatric evaluation hold in Ohio. More than enough evidence to hold him. Can’t believe they let him go on his merry way with dependent children

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PuellaBona t1_itkl54t wrote

Well, presumably the mom was sane. They probably thought she was good enough to keep the situation under control and get him help if needed. Obviously not. I wonder if she's just as mentally ill as he is.

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LowDownSkankyDude t1_itjbkux wrote

I've been forcibly committed for less, so yes, why not? Hold him so he can be picked up and held for observation and figure out exactly what's going on. What would you do?

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big-heck-nah t1_itip3w9 wrote

Man believes people are after him, goes on the run with (most of) his family, then their location is blasted all over the news. That certainly not going to help his mental health / possibly actual concerns

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SerendipitySue t1_ithlcrf wrote

Sigh. Does not sound like the wife is going to step up while hubs descends into,,,some mental illness.

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_skank_hunt42 t1_itil845 wrote

I’m guessing the whole family has been pulled into the delusion.

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SerendipitySue t1_itizrzx wrote

yeah. Really does not sound promising. I hope family steps in.

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awhq t1_ithte2i wrote

They left the grandmother, who has dementia, at their home alone. They need to be charged.

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PM_ME_UR_DIET_TIPS t1_ithua3x wrote

Unfortunately, this isn't a crime in Michigan.

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SaltyWatermelon007 t1_itivo1g wrote

They left an elderly woman behind to die along with family pets. F this guy

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Igoos99 t1_itktbva wrote

Yeah. That seems like police intervention is called for. The guy is having a psychotic break. It doesn’t seem like he should be allowed around his family right now.

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pinetreesgreen t1_ithsjag wrote

Guy sounds like he has delusions. His family is for sure in danger.

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VyrPlan t1_ithhygt wrote

great news...now maybe that picture of the two brothers will stop visiting my nightmares

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NPVT t1_iti69xv wrote

If he had evidence the safest thing to do would be to publish it for the world to see. Running off and hiding would make you a target - if it was true. But crazy thinking is not evidence.

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Tannerleaf t1_itjewg7 wrote

This guy is going to end up killing his family in order to “protect” them.

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MGD109 t1_itihmah wrote

What a relief. Hopefully this guy will now get some actual help. Its clear his issues are out of control, and he won't get better with out proper treatment.

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InternationalCut2610 t1_ithxv59 wrote

I mean I guess since he works in finance, I'd say that's the most likely area to find direct evidence of malfeasance related to 9/11.

Not the attacks or any of the controlled demolition bullshit conspiracy theories but profiteering off of starting a never ending war, which relates to the only semi-credible theory I've heard about 9/11 which is that certain people in the government connected to defense contractors "let it happen".

That said, probably just a guy having a mental breakdown.

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dragonspirit77 t1_itkaaog wrote

Sort of reminds me of the Jamison family incident in Australia. Given the known circumstances folie a double seems plausible.

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dragonspirit77 t1_itlf6ge wrote

My mistake, I ment the Tromp family,an Australian family who fled their farm for seemingly no reason.

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cadeawayy t1_itidjog wrote

I opened Google this morning and one of the trending searches was "Michigan family found dead". I had been following this story, so I sat for a minute or two really upset, but then I clicked the link to see the most recent article was an hour old and saying they were found safe.

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Intrepid_Advice4411 t1_itl1sg8 wrote

What's really scary is the police can't do anything about this. The parents say they're fine and have both willingly gone on this trip. The one child is a minor and both are autistic and probably believe whatever nonsense their dad is spouting. Supposedly the family didn't have any firearms so that makes me feel a little better, but ultimately this is a person in a mental crisis driving around the country with his wife and kids. The wife either believes what he's saying or is enabling him.

Here's hoping we don't have a report on this family dead in the middle of nowhere in a few weeks. I hope they decide to head home.

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Kurtotall t1_itlfulh wrote

We haven’t heard the end of this story yet. More to come.

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ZylonBane t1_itineku wrote

So he decided to cheese it.

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