Submitted by paulfromatlanta t3_z93zbk in news
“He got caught RUNNING A STOP SIGN! and when we tried to pull him over, he RAN INSIDE HIS HOUSE! Obviously we had no choice but to kick down his door and beat him to a pulp.”
How does any of that justify violence? Pile on the charges to your hearts content, but “he isn’t respecting our authority” does not justify violence.
I'm not one to randomly defend cops but this guy did everything you shouldn't do.
Ran a stop sign, sped, failed to pull over, fled into a dwelling, resisted detainment and fled yet again.
It's hard to prove "driving while black" when those facts cloud the issue.
Except, none of that was violent.
I get the argument that police will chase someone who runs, but we can't allow ourselves to lose sight of the thing that justifies the use of force.
Disobeying police is not what justifies the use of force.
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Resisting arrest often leads to what can be considered violence. Someone that refuses to comply, runs into a dwelling multiple times. What are the police to do? Let him go get his gun and load it? That's not an extreme example. It actually happens.
If the guy wants to file a civil suit for the injuries, more power to him. But this was about indicting the cops on criminal charges and I just don't see it.
The whole system needs reformation, but you aren't going to reform the system mid-evasion of arrest.
The system needs reform but my god can it please be common sense reform? Like lets not send someone to jail for months because they stole a candy bar but if you blow a stop sign, speed, run inside a house and resist arrest and the cops use force to arrest you, can we admit that's proper. Fucking christ on a cracker how fucking hard is it to understand?
I agree 100%.
But a lot of these problems are pervasive throughout the whole of society, and not just confined to the justice system.. as bad as it is.
In a perfect world we would get down to the why of stealing a candy bar and solve that rather than solely rely on punishment as a deterrence.
Most of us clearly understand the racial disparity that is ingrained in America, but a lot of people just refuse to see it. Unfortunately ~50% of our leadership is part of that lot, so nothing meaningful gets done.
He committed a minor traffic infraction and was going to get away with it. They couldn’t handle that because it represented a total disregard for their power and authority, so they kicked in his door and beat the shit out of him.
Should people be allowed to just ignore police commands? Of course not. Is this a use of force appropriate to the context? No fucking way. It’s treating a stop sign runner with the same force as someone who just robbed a bank.
It’s absolutely absurd that people parrot the idiotic argument that if the police are justified in apprehending someone they are automatically justified in using any level of force to do so. It’s a position only taken up by cowards and sycophants.
First of all, when you're in a situation which entirely because of your skin has a very significant chance of you being beaten or killed, you might panic too. But ignoring that whole discussion...
Making mistakes and lacking good judgement isn't a good reason to be beaten. Ever. In any reasonable world. The cops are the ones that are allegedly "professionals" who are supposedly trained to handle situations like this. We are the citizens they serve.
It's honestly insane that we excuse shit like this over pretty crap, like you are. If you're being honest about not defending cops, I don't think this is the time to start, bud.
I don't think anyone is going to argue that he could have made better decisions. The fact is though, that he shouldn't have gotten beat like that for just running away. In no world is that the right way to do things
So just run from the cops. And if they catch up to you, run again. And if they catch you again just resist arrest, refuse to comply.
At what point is enough enough?
I don't like the use of violent measures to subdue someone but when someone presents an apparent danger (and at that time he clearly did) what should the police do? Honest question. How should this person have been arrested given his actions during the attempt?
Lol what? Are you guys truly that dense? Once you catch someone, tackle them and cuff them. Done. No need to apply more violence to the situation. If they can't handle that, then they shouldn't be police. It's really that simple. The job of the police is to apprehend people, not dish out judgment.
Have you seen the whole video?
>Ran a stop sign, sped, failed to pull over, fled into a dwelling, resisted detainment and fled yet again.
And so therefore it is justified to use violence in this situation?
Used force to effect an arrest. Absolutely justified.
It’s really funny how police just can’t seem to figure out why people hate their guts. Bad apples my ass.
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It'll all be ok once the RoboCops take over.
They have already started.
I'm hoping the robots will turn out to be less racist than the cops /s
Robots cannot be racist, they just follow commands.
Yeah but if the people programming them are racist, then they’re informed by that racism.
Example: Facial recognition cameras that misidentify Black folks all the time (literally happening)
Person detecting systems in selfdriving cars not registering Black folks as people
At the risk of missing potential sarcasm, that's a pretty good demonstration of why the "you don't know what's in their heart" conversation about racism misses the point.
I know, that's why I put the /s at the end :)
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I think you'd better do what he says, Mr. Kinney.
Cops... Want people to stop thinking you're all a bunch of AHoles.... Stop being a bunch of AHoles
The cops in Oakland are some of the worst around. There was no way this you g man was going to get a fair trial in fayette county sadly. Hell they are currently being forced to integrate their schools.
Fuck this. Riot. Police should not have guns.
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Always have to obey lawful commands. Otherwise they have a lot more room to work with in terms of how they respond. Even if they're on legally shaky ground, you're still obligated to comply. Let your lawyers argue the semantics don't run.
Running is a green light to get your ass beat.
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Sounds to me like you deep throat the whole damn boot.
Hurr durr durr. Ya got me.
Why use your big boy words when you can just be a child on the internet?
Running away from police makes it ok for them to beat your ass? Gtfo
Running away from them after you just blew a stop sign and got caught speeding and then ran into a house when they followed you means you get arrested. If you run into a house it is completely reasonable to assume you may be running towards a weapon. It is still that cops duty to apprehend people running from speeding tickets because typically the people that do that are running for other reasons. If that's not acceptable then all wanted criminals just know they just don't need to stop. Now that you're in the house where weapons could be anywhere, your repeated rebukes of arrest are going to get you the taser.
But I did draw a line at baton strikes but even then if the dudes in a bedroom reaching and fighting, a knife could be anywhere.
You see how those are complete thoughts that don't rely on disparaging your character to make my argument? That's called grown up shit.
No one is saying he shouldn't have been chased and apprehended... if he was apprehended and not beaten, this wouldn't even be a story. Fact is, he should not have been beaten the way he was. Period. If you think that running from the police is grounds for a beating, then you are part of the issue.
It's clear who on Reddit has never been anywhere near any kind of actual "in the shit" situation.
this dude actually said “in the shit” lol
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Armthedillos5 t1_iyf1i8c wrote
Ah yes, the beating was justified defense.