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Xaxxon t1_iyec052 wrote

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His established companies are consistently ranked the top two places to work. At least for engineers.

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-spacex-best-employers-2019-elon-musk/amp/

Edit perhaps “two of the top” would be more accurate but regardless the point still stands that they are considered great places to work.

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chesterpower t1_iyefpf1 wrote

In the first paragraph of your article from 3 years ago:

“it appears that two of Elon Musk’s companies, SpaceX and Tesla, are perceived by engineering students as the best employers in the country.”

It says nothing about actual current or former employees and one article from 3 years ago would hardly be a consistent track record anyway.

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sandsurfngbomber t1_iyex0bq wrote

Know a lot of engineering grads from a top US aerospace college - this is valid. Even with all the wildness around Musk and his companies, they would still accept an offer from Tesla/SpaceX in a heartbeat. The simple reason is that these are very competitive places to get hired and work. Everyone knows it's long hours, burnouts, ridiculous management etc. But everyone wants to go there because after 1-2 years the exit opportunities lead to very good positions at other top firms.

It's the same as finance people wanting to work at banks that are known to be sweatshops. Investment banks, private equity will work you 80+ hours/week. But they still have tens of thousands of applicants per position because everyone knows if you can survive it your life is set.

The only thing that changes here if having these names on a resume can hurt your future chances. Then competitive students/entry-level applicants will steer clear. Till then, these companies will not have a shortage of top grads lining up for interviews.

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chesterpower t1_iyezp33 wrote

This is the comment I responded to:

> His established companies are consistently ranked the top two places to work. At least for engineers.

I don’t doubt that students would perceive two of the most well known companies in their fields to be top employment opportunities. I don’t doubt that those jobs lead to better future employment opportunities either.

I do doubt that they are consistently ranked as the top places to work at by current or past employees, and the source provided gives no evidence to back up that claim.

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Xaxxon t1_iyegoyz wrote

There are plenty more sources, that's just the first I found.

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chesterpower t1_iyel7ip wrote

How do you know any of these sources actually back up what you’re trying to say? You clearly didn’t read, or misunderstood this one.

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lasvegasnv11 t1_iyesv0o wrote

You're on a device with internet, you should show us one. Or a subreddit where his employees speak on how great theyre treated

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Xaxxon t1_iyexrz5 wrote

Employees speak on how they are treated by continuing to work there and succeed.

People that work at spacex and Tesla would not be hard pressed to find other jobs.

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chesterpower t1_iyf3xa0 wrote

So they are the top places to work because employees continue to work there? That would probably mean they have the highest employee retention.

Doing a quick search of top employee retention rates by company, I don’t see either company even mentioned, let alone at the top. In fact, the only place I saw either mentioned is in this article. If you scroll to the last chart on the page and filter by automotive industry, you will see that Tesla is not near the top, but actually at the very bottom of the list.

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jorgesoos t1_iyef9wr wrote

Your link talks about how Tesla and SpaceX are the most attractive employers for engineering students, not that they're ranked the top two places to work. This isn't because of Elon, but because of what these companies do.

From the same year as your article, Tesla employee satisfaction ratings slip amid cost-cutting, layoffs :

> At jobs site Glassdoor, Tesla's overall company rating fell to 3.2 out of 5.0 stars based on reviews written in the first quarter from a high of 3.6 in 2017, according to historical data compiled by Glassdoor at Reuters' request. The average rating of the nearly 1 million employers reviewed on the site is 3.4.

> In the first quarter, Elon Musk's CEO approval rating dropped to 52% from 90% in 2017.

> Tesla's "recommend to a friend" rating fell to 49% in the first quarter from a high of 71% two years prior, the Glassdoor data showed.

> For comparison, Ford Motor Co. rates 3.9 stars, with Jim Hackett earning a 72 percent CEO rating, and 76 percent would recommend the company to a friend. General Motors rated 3.4 stars, with 67 percent approval of CEO Mary Barra and a 59 percent recommend rating. Toyota North America earned a 3.7 rating, 91 percent approve of CEO Akio Toyoda, and 69 percent would recommend to a friend.

Elon's going to face much tougher challenges expecting the same work-life imbalance from employees working for a social media site as opposed to a company that revolutionized the EV industry and a company that is essentially competing with NASA.

Edit for your edit:. Neither Tesla nor SpaceX even ranks at all in the 2022 Fortune 100 top companies to work for.

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Xaxxon t1_iyegg5j wrote

> This isn't because of Elon, but because of what these companies do. > >

You don't get to separate those two things.

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jorgesoos t1_iyeh1ed wrote

Why not? Wouldn't you agree that a company working on space travel is an ideal choice for an engineering student, where Twitter might not be?

Nevermind the actual employee satisfaction rate is sub-par. You're conflating fresh-faced idealism with reality.

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Xaxxon t1_iyehato wrote

> a company working on space travel

There are many of those that don't come anywhere near.

It's Musks leadership that differentiates spacex.

Is his leadership style all happy feelgood all the time? Heck no. But is it effective in empowering engineers to solve massive problems quickly? Evidence strongly points to yes.

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jorgesoos t1_iyehzxl wrote

Are his companies consistently ranked the best two places to work, as per your initial claim?

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Tisarwat t1_iyem56g wrote

Huh, weird, I can't see any reply from Xaxxon. I just hear crickets chirping.

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Xaxxon t1_iyexp71 wrote

I’m not required to monitor Reddit constantly 24 hours a day in order to make comments.

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Saito1337 t1_iyeu97y wrote

Just admit that your original claim was a blatant lie and move on.

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Xaxxon t1_iyf1hrx wrote

https://universumglobal.com/blog/google-apple-spacex-and-tesla-snag-top-spots-in-the-most-attractive-employers-in-the-united-states/

How many sources do you need?

Also it’s disappointing how bad people are at googling.

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Saito1337 t1_iyfc5ve wrote

Once again, that article does not state what you have claimed. At all. Being attractive to students IS NOT a measure of worker satisfaction. It's merely a measure of naive students interests. Your claim was a lie, and continues to be.

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chesterpower t1_iyf5kqm wrote

“US engineering students rankings.” This is just as irrelevant to your original claim as your first source. Why not read them first?

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