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IamSauerKraut t1_ivfzwz0 wrote

Reply to comment by bjplague in Cardinal Ricard among 11 French bishops accused of abuse by motayba

Even without the No Sex law, these dreks would have abused kids. Laws do not discourage these types from that type of behavior.

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PeterP211 t1_ivg5zxy wrote

One doesn’t become a pervert by being celibate. Pedophilia and other deviancies are deep rooted to the point of being what these people ‘are’ rather than what they ‘do’.

Saying that a middle aged man could be turned into a pedophile is like saying middle aged me could suddenly become a pedophile because my nephew were to move into my house.

You either are or you aren’t when it comes to this stuff.

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bjplague t1_ivg8lls wrote

Ok mister, care to explain the disproportionate amount of men in cloth doing this?

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virak_john t1_ivgomu7 wrote

Pedophiles are drawn to the clergy. Some out of a desire to abuse and some, ironically, because they believe that dedicating themselves to God will help them from giving into their carnal desires.

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webesy t1_ivgapqi wrote

Predators are attracted to positions of power in the church

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EmotionalAd5920 t1_ivglh2s wrote

to me it seems the sexual repression causes them to act out, and their easiest victims are children who wont fight back. more opportunist’s than monsters.

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PeterP211 t1_ivgtk9t wrote

If you mean repression caused by celibacy - and not some sort of cultural repression - then no. Pedophilia is a deep seated psychosexual deviancy, not something that gets turned on like a light switch.

And two other issues with this logic:

  1. No one forced these guys into the clergy nor is priestly celibacy some sort of surprise.

  2. If someone is willing to break their celibacy (due to it being repressive) to prey in kids, wouldn’t they be just as or more likely to break it to sleep with an adult, if the celibacy was such an issue for them?

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supercyberlurker t1_ivgopkc wrote

I've heard it phrased as "Positions of power don't create abusers, but they are magnets drawing them in."

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MoonageDayscream t1_ivgrhc3 wrote

It's well known that offenders in the Church are protected. Not so much the secular institutions that offer similar access and those certainly don't have the global reach to shelter them, the social control to force silence or "forgiveness", or the deep pockets to harass or pay off victims and their families.

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PeterP211 t1_ivgszqg wrote

I just did. I’m not even sure what you’re arguing about, since you just wrote that the priesthood attracts pedophiles, and not the priesthood (and celibacy) creates pedophiles.

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elguerodiablo t1_iviglnw wrote

If you are a pedo what better organization is there to join than the Catholic Church?

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