Submitted by millennium-wisdom t3_yvsp9x in news
ShellOilNigeria t1_iwgf9pn wrote
Reply to comment by CrackaZach05 in Navy, Coast Guard stop ship with 180 tons of Iranian explosive materials by millennium-wisdom
And we allow Russia to fight Ukraine and supply Ukraine with weapons.
And we propagandize our own citizens into believing fabricated lies which lead to war.
It's hard.
iehova t1_iwgho0q wrote
What lies are you speaking about, regarding the Ukraine war?
ShellOilNigeria t1_iwgnhb6 wrote
I phrased it poorly, I was actually referring to the War on Terror and Iraq invasion.
[deleted] t1_iwheg1b wrote
[deleted]
CrackaZach05 t1_iwgfeiz wrote
Also not our fight. These are all proxy wars that justify Washington's inflating of our defense budget.
GKanjus t1_iwgl5qz wrote
Except when Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons in the 90’s , America said they would help protect them. Well the pipers called and it’s time to pay up.
SmokeyUnicycle t1_iwgpem8 wrote
We didn't actually agree to protect them we just said we wouldn't attack them.
Russia did too lol
Moccus t1_iwhpi1m wrote
Sucks that you're getting downvoted. You're completely correct.
The Budapest Memorandum isn't a very long agreement, either, so anybody here should have time to read it.
This is what the US, the UK, and Russia agreed to in the Budapest Memorandum:
- Respect Ukraine's independence, sovereignty, and existing borders.
- Refrain from using force or threatening to use force against Ukraine except in self-defense or with the approval of the UN.
- Refrain from using economic coercion to undermine Ukraine's sovereignty.
- Seek assistance from the UN Security Council on Ukraine's behalf if anybody uses nukes or threatens to use nukes against Ukraine.
- Don't use nukes against Ukraine except in self-defense.
Nowhere is there any agreement to protect Ukraine, especially if they're only attacked in a conventional war. If they're attacked with nukes by Russia, then the US and the UK are supposed to go to the UN Security Council to ask for help, where Russia will promptly veto any proposed action, but that's the end of our obligations under the Budapest Memorandum.
Source: https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume%203007/Part/volume-3007-I-52241.pdf
GKanjus t1_iwj47kq wrote
“1. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine”
I could dive deeper into the Helsinki Final Act of 1975, which is applicable here to prove you even further wrong, but instead I’ll just use the FULL wording of the first addendum, not just what you cherry picked to help your argument.
All in All we are in fact under the obligation to help Ukraine
GKanjus t1_iwj4l0l wrote
SmokeyUnicycle t1_iwj882g wrote
Please highlight the specific part of the Budapest memorandum that disagrees with anything I said.
SmokeyUnicycle t1_iwgpc1s wrote
Yes we are spending a whole 2% of our annual military budget on helping Ukraine, The horror the absolute horror
Thank you Russian bot for your contribution
CrackaZach05 t1_iwgq1m3 wrote
Gotta be a russian bot because I disagree w your take on foreign policy? You must claim to be very liberal 😂
SmokeyUnicycle t1_iwh89n3 wrote
No because you have an idiotic take that's parroting Russian talking points.
You could just be a useful idiot of course.
CrackaZach05 t1_iwhalqq wrote
Which Russian parrot has talked about the US militaries' inflated budget?
None that I'm aware of. But hey, I'm sure you're happy about how Vietnam, the Gulf War and the war w Iraq/Afghanistan went. Keep drinking that kool-aid.
SmokeyUnicycle t1_iwhbvw2 wrote
Like all of them...?
This is one of the dumbest gotchas I've ever heard lol
Down playing the US military and calling it ineffective and bloated is a favorite pastime of Russian trolls and useful idiots.
I like how you threw in some random bullshit at the end to try to make it seem like you had more of a point
CrackaZach05 t1_iwhda0v wrote
Sounds like you listen to more Russian news than most, comrade
AcidTWister t1_iwgk159 wrote
Proxy wars and tests, likely. Letting the world see Russia fail to just waltz in and take Ukraine really puts their position as a geopolitical super power into question. They can't even overtake a nation with a GDP smaller than Kansas. Who would possibly view them as a threat now?
Viewing a single comment thread. View all comments