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HelpStatistician t1_iw9ndql wrote

Reply to comment by ManfredTheCat in Canada's Ontario to extend gas, fuel tax cut for a year by davidlee93

Ford is a dumb, bag-of-discarded-foreskins of a man, but most voters didn't bother to come out and vote against him so Ontarians did this to themselves

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Nova_Explorer t1_iwa0zhd wrote

As an Ontarian who voted NDP (the liberals didn’t even run in my riding), yet the riding went to the Cons anyways, the pain is real

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djb1983CanBoy t1_iwck8qe wrote

Lol oh ya? I voted ndp too. A liberal also ran, but in my riding, C got 51.9% of the vote - the biggest % of any riding.

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ManfredTheCat t1_iw9pqyw wrote

I'm not sure what point you're making. Do you think he should be free from criticism? Or are you engaging in shadenfreude for all the people who are enduring long wait times at the emergency rooms?

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sjfiuauqadfj t1_iwa0vbs wrote

he definitely isnt free from criticism but the election was in june and hes what ontario voted for. obviously not all ontarians support him or his policies but it seems like whatever his policies on healthcare were, thats what voters wanted

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adamantyne t1_iwal80b wrote

He won a majority government with 40% of the vote. FPTP is an abomination, and 60% of Ontario's voters said no to him. Don't pretend like this is anything other than Ontario's people suffering from the results of a rigged game.

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HelpStatistician t1_iwang1x wrote

THE MAJORITY DIDN'T VOTE.

It takes 10 mins to vote in most of Ontario.

People asked for this. Every person who didn't vote or voted Con is to blame for this shit show. Period.

Is Ford to blame, sure. But he's the scorpion and the people who didn't vote or voted con are the dumb ass frogs complaining now.

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adamantyne t1_iwaot58 wrote

And of those that did vote, the majority didn't want him. FPTP ensured that the 60% of people who voted against Ford went unheard. Voter apathy is a problem brought on by a broken system, not the other way around.

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HelpStatistician t1_iwapk69 wrote

No it isn't. The system is broken people who are uninformed fuck-you-got-mine types. If the 60% that didn't vote at all came out and voted NDP or Liberal, he wouldn't be in power anymore, particularly not with a majority.

People wait in line 8 hours to vote for either the shit party or omg-what-is-that party in the USA but people here can't saunter over and check a box? Guess they prefer to wait in ERs for 8 hours with their sick kids instead.

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sjfiuauqadfj t1_iwalmeb wrote

im aware that canadians dislike how their system is set up, but liberals and ndp have won in ontario before, and they did that by winning a minority of the vote share as well. its how the game is set up and clearly the opposition parties did not play it effectively and neither did their voters

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wylee_one t1_iwcqkhu wrote

first problem is that only 43% of eligible voters actually voted

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MustLoveAllCats t1_iwdbnz0 wrote

> Don't pretend like this is anything other than Ontario's people suffering from the results of a rigged game.

The game isn't rigged. 75% of eligible voters did not vote against him. about 74.25% if you want to be more precise, but no vote at all is functionally identical to being content with what the largest group of voters selects. 74.25% of Ontario was given the option to get rid of Ford and said no.

Ford is a corrupt scumbag, jackass, and liar, and all Canadians are worse off for every moment he spends in politics, but given the option to get rid of him, 3 out of 4 people in Ontario said no. That's not a rigged game, that's a lazy, stupid, or uncaring population.

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HelpStatistician t1_iwanbxa wrote

The point I'm making is that this is what people voted for. Not voting is an approval of the status quo. If people cared, they would have voted, but they didn't so this is on them.

The grasshopper who sang all summer, and what not.

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ManfredTheCat t1_iwap6m4 wrote

So it is schadenfreude about the kids who don't have hospital beds. Yeah, they really fucked up when they failed to vote. Or....maybe you're being myopic and expressing some very childish sentiments.

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HelpStatistician t1_iwapqgc wrote

Or maybe their parents should have spent a few minutes voting instead. I don't blame the kids, I blame their dumb ass parents who are getting what they deserve.

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ManfredTheCat t1_iwcni26 wrote

Or maybe some of the parents did spend a few minutes voting. Or were not allowed to vote because they're not citizens or 18. The point is, your logical tack is poor and the idea that the voter is more at fault than the politician is really childish.

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HelpStatistician t1_iwcwtp3 wrote

I blame both.

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ManfredTheCat t1_iwdfug4 wrote

I know. An absence of nuance isn't really something to be proud of yet, here you are.

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HelpStatistician t1_iwidbcf wrote

ditto kiddo

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ManfredTheCat t1_iwiesxl wrote

Where is my nuance lacking?

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HelpStatistician t1_iwj2l4z wrote

Your ability to decipher it.

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ManfredTheCat t1_iwj57uo wrote

Lol so this is what I said:

>An absence of nuance isn't really something to be proud of yet, here you are.

Which, to be frank, is my openly stating that you lack nuance. And, to be accurate, you do. Your position is the sort of thing I'd expect to hear from a teenager. And then you reply with this:

>Ditto kiddo

Which, to be honest, is a little puzzling because everything I said was nuanced. So I questioned that. And then you said this:

>Your ability to decipher it.

Which makes me wonder. Do you understand what the words 'nuance' or 'ditto' mean?

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HelpStatistician t1_iwmiqse wrote

Do you?

Look at you, unable to find nuance in anything you don't agree with, sad really.

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ManfredTheCat t1_iwmk5l1 wrote

What nuance is there in "those sick kids' parents should have voted better?" None. It's childish.

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HelpStatistician t1_iwnn7kc wrote

You want me to do the job your parents and teachers didn't do and educate you? No thanks. If you don't understand, that's on you. Look I don't know what you continuously saying "I don't have the mental capacity to understand your arguments" is supposed to accomplish that it hasn't already. I get that you don't understand, you don't have to prove it over and over.

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ManfredTheCat t1_iwns6uf wrote

Well this is one of those childish things you said:

>The point I'm making is that this is what people voted for. Not voting is an approval of the status quo. If people cared, they would have voted, but they didn't so this is on them.

>The grasshopper who sang all summer, and what not.

So where you obviously fucked up is in failing to consider that the people who voted against Ford are in the same boat as the people who voted for him. Because you seem to think nobody voted. This was confirmed in the next few comments you made.

And then when I pressed you on it, you basically shut down to single sentences to try to distance yourself from your really really really stupid argument. And now you're trying to make this about me when it's actually about the stupid point you made. Which you can try but I won't let you. So as long as you keep replying I feel comfortable reminding you.

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