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ManfredTheCat t1_iw95gzz wrote

How about this clown fixes the health care issues he caused first?

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HelpStatistician t1_iw9ndql wrote

Ford is a dumb, bag-of-discarded-foreskins of a man, but most voters didn't bother to come out and vote against him so Ontarians did this to themselves

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Nova_Explorer t1_iwa0zhd wrote

As an Ontarian who voted NDP (the liberals didn’t even run in my riding), yet the riding went to the Cons anyways, the pain is real

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djb1983CanBoy t1_iwck8qe wrote

Lol oh ya? I voted ndp too. A liberal also ran, but in my riding, C got 51.9% of the vote - the biggest % of any riding.

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ManfredTheCat t1_iw9pqyw wrote

I'm not sure what point you're making. Do you think he should be free from criticism? Or are you engaging in shadenfreude for all the people who are enduring long wait times at the emergency rooms?

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sjfiuauqadfj t1_iwa0vbs wrote

he definitely isnt free from criticism but the election was in june and hes what ontario voted for. obviously not all ontarians support him or his policies but it seems like whatever his policies on healthcare were, thats what voters wanted

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adamantyne t1_iwal80b wrote

He won a majority government with 40% of the vote. FPTP is an abomination, and 60% of Ontario's voters said no to him. Don't pretend like this is anything other than Ontario's people suffering from the results of a rigged game.

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HelpStatistician t1_iwang1x wrote

THE MAJORITY DIDN'T VOTE.

It takes 10 mins to vote in most of Ontario.

People asked for this. Every person who didn't vote or voted Con is to blame for this shit show. Period.

Is Ford to blame, sure. But he's the scorpion and the people who didn't vote or voted con are the dumb ass frogs complaining now.

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adamantyne t1_iwaot58 wrote

And of those that did vote, the majority didn't want him. FPTP ensured that the 60% of people who voted against Ford went unheard. Voter apathy is a problem brought on by a broken system, not the other way around.

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HelpStatistician t1_iwapk69 wrote

No it isn't. The system is broken people who are uninformed fuck-you-got-mine types. If the 60% that didn't vote at all came out and voted NDP or Liberal, he wouldn't be in power anymore, particularly not with a majority.

People wait in line 8 hours to vote for either the shit party or omg-what-is-that party in the USA but people here can't saunter over and check a box? Guess they prefer to wait in ERs for 8 hours with their sick kids instead.

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sjfiuauqadfj t1_iwalmeb wrote

im aware that canadians dislike how their system is set up, but liberals and ndp have won in ontario before, and they did that by winning a minority of the vote share as well. its how the game is set up and clearly the opposition parties did not play it effectively and neither did their voters

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wylee_one t1_iwcqkhu wrote

first problem is that only 43% of eligible voters actually voted

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MustLoveAllCats t1_iwdbnz0 wrote

> Don't pretend like this is anything other than Ontario's people suffering from the results of a rigged game.

The game isn't rigged. 75% of eligible voters did not vote against him. about 74.25% if you want to be more precise, but no vote at all is functionally identical to being content with what the largest group of voters selects. 74.25% of Ontario was given the option to get rid of Ford and said no.

Ford is a corrupt scumbag, jackass, and liar, and all Canadians are worse off for every moment he spends in politics, but given the option to get rid of him, 3 out of 4 people in Ontario said no. That's not a rigged game, that's a lazy, stupid, or uncaring population.

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HelpStatistician t1_iwanbxa wrote

The point I'm making is that this is what people voted for. Not voting is an approval of the status quo. If people cared, they would have voted, but they didn't so this is on them.

The grasshopper who sang all summer, and what not.

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ManfredTheCat t1_iwap6m4 wrote

So it is schadenfreude about the kids who don't have hospital beds. Yeah, they really fucked up when they failed to vote. Or....maybe you're being myopic and expressing some very childish sentiments.

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HelpStatistician t1_iwapqgc wrote

Or maybe their parents should have spent a few minutes voting instead. I don't blame the kids, I blame their dumb ass parents who are getting what they deserve.

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ManfredTheCat t1_iwcni26 wrote

Or maybe some of the parents did spend a few minutes voting. Or were not allowed to vote because they're not citizens or 18. The point is, your logical tack is poor and the idea that the voter is more at fault than the politician is really childish.

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HelpStatistician t1_iwcwtp3 wrote

I blame both.

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ManfredTheCat t1_iwdfug4 wrote

I know. An absence of nuance isn't really something to be proud of yet, here you are.

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HelpStatistician t1_iwidbcf wrote

ditto kiddo

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ManfredTheCat t1_iwiesxl wrote

Where is my nuance lacking?

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HelpStatistician t1_iwj2l4z wrote

Your ability to decipher it.

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ManfredTheCat t1_iwj57uo wrote

Lol so this is what I said:

>An absence of nuance isn't really something to be proud of yet, here you are.

Which, to be frank, is my openly stating that you lack nuance. And, to be accurate, you do. Your position is the sort of thing I'd expect to hear from a teenager. And then you reply with this:

>Ditto kiddo

Which, to be honest, is a little puzzling because everything I said was nuanced. So I questioned that. And then you said this:

>Your ability to decipher it.

Which makes me wonder. Do you understand what the words 'nuance' or 'ditto' mean?

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HelpStatistician t1_iwmiqse wrote

Do you?

Look at you, unable to find nuance in anything you don't agree with, sad really.

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ManfredTheCat t1_iwmk5l1 wrote

What nuance is there in "those sick kids' parents should have voted better?" None. It's childish.

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HelpStatistician t1_iwnn7kc wrote

You want me to do the job your parents and teachers didn't do and educate you? No thanks. If you don't understand, that's on you. Look I don't know what you continuously saying "I don't have the mental capacity to understand your arguments" is supposed to accomplish that it hasn't already. I get that you don't understand, you don't have to prove it over and over.

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ManfredTheCat t1_iwns6uf wrote

Well this is one of those childish things you said:

>The point I'm making is that this is what people voted for. Not voting is an approval of the status quo. If people cared, they would have voted, but they didn't so this is on them.

>The grasshopper who sang all summer, and what not.

So where you obviously fucked up is in failing to consider that the people who voted against Ford are in the same boat as the people who voted for him. Because you seem to think nobody voted. This was confirmed in the next few comments you made.

And then when I pressed you on it, you basically shut down to single sentences to try to distance yourself from your really really really stupid argument. And now you're trying to make this about me when it's actually about the stupid point you made. Which you can try but I won't let you. So as long as you keep replying I feel comfortable reminding you.

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silent-l t1_iw9adly wrote

If I wasn't poor I'd give you gold for this comment 🥇

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MustLoveAllCats t1_iwdbxm5 wrote

Why? Giving gold is just a cash donation to Reddit

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silent-l t1_iwdgfak wrote

I know buy I'm a health care worker and I appreciated the comment.

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attaboy000 t1_iwa0o2n wrote

I agree he should be fixing our healthcare issues, but he's hardly the one that caused them. A lot of this shit has been happening for a lot longer than he's been in power.

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Dr_Keyser_Soze t1_iwacsgo wrote

Or…. What if we tax the shit out of those natural resource profits and increase the lowest income tax bracket to $90k and call it a day.

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Salty-Pack-4165 t1_iwe3wls wrote

Ontario health care system has problems for 40+ years and no government wants to touch that hot potato. Problems are just piling up.

Same goes for education system.

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TheClayroo t1_iw94t50 wrote

Oooooo 5c on every 1.70L while Esso posts record profits. I'll gladly pay the extra 5c to give to taxes for the price gouging from corporations to stop.

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ChalupaCabre t1_iwacld8 wrote

They just raise the price by 5c anyway.

The only difference to average people will be the lack of tax revenue to pay for the services they used to enjoy.

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Menegra t1_iwbfxp2 wrote

Like healthcare and roads!

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ChalupaCabre t1_iwccml1 wrote

Yeah you can definitely expect Ontario roads to go to shit. One benefit is there may be less traffic congestion due to less road maintenance and improvement.

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pattydickens t1_iw9ahhb wrote

Countries should cut gas taxes completely for consumers and make up the difference by taxing oil company profits while enforcing price gouging regulations. Let the rich shoulder the burden for a change.

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Zerotan t1_iw9oq72 wrote

It's a fine principle, but not effective. You can't tax "profits" because they will find ways to move money around so that they have "zero profit", paying shell companies for consulting services, etc.

Further, taxing a corporation for their income, or taxing the consumer purchasing the good they sell is effectively the same; both cause the corporation to raise their price by the same amount and both cause money to be taken out of the transaction and sent to the government.

RIP cap and trade... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-officially-ends-cap-and-trade-1.4885872

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Dmage22 t1_iwbyv1k wrote

Can we tax their revenue instead of profit ?

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Alienteacher t1_iwdx79l wrote

It would result in the same thing as op just said. They would adjust prices to compensate to keep their profit margins similar. The only way to force their hand is to take a measure of control of the company itself. Force it to set a limit on price in relation to CPI, have windfall tax on profits that far exceed what they make, have quotas for refined oil they can process/sell

The govt would have to basically control the price and quantity. This is real Socialism. But outside of that there is no real way to force companies to pay their 'fair share' in a capitalist system

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Dmage22 t1_iwdy6gr wrote

Even if they adjust price to maintain profits, taxing their revenue actually generate income for the government to spend on things. They can do shady tax avoidance to pay 0% tax if we only tax profit.

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Alienteacher t1_iwe2vuk wrote

How can you establish an effective tax on revenue when business expenses vary so widely? And if a business increases it's expenses through nonsense like 'consulting fees' it will artificially increase their expenses

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pattydickens t1_iw9l45k wrote

No, because the ownership would still be private, they would just have to pay their fair share of taxes and make sacrifices like any other patriotic citizen has for the last 100 years while they got subsidies and free infrastructure.

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Ruckus4Prez t1_iw95nd1 wrote

Did Biden make gas prices high in Canada too? /s

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Zerotan t1_iw9n5zd wrote

I live in Ontario and I like blaming Biden for everything... long lines at Timmies, construction, dogshits...

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w1n5t0nM1k3y t1_iw9da8j wrote

No, but Trudeau is the cause of inflation across the world.

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Rikey_Doodle t1_iwakai2 wrote

I understood your sarcasm :(

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MustLoveAllCats t1_iwdc3c4 wrote

I downvoted it anyway, because plenty of pp supporters won't recognize the sarcasm and will be emboldened by what they perceive as other people chanting their lines.

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random20190826 t1_iw9zfl1 wrote

As a current student, I wish he extended the tuition tax credit on ON479 Line 63055, but he apparently doesn’t value education in this province. This is also apparent in the way he used a built-in loophole in the Constitution to impose a contract on workers belonging to CUPE.

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mikeybagodonuts t1_iwacwxb wrote

Great. We can afford to drive to the hospital still but have to wait for 12 hours to see a doctor. Thanks for having our backs Doug the Slug.

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errorwrong t1_iw9ezb5 wrote

Oooh, CANADA'S Ontario

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HelpStatistician t1_iw9n6xx wrote

There's an Ontario (city) in like 7 states including California so just putting Ontario CA can be confusing.
Fun fact: Ontario California was named after Ontario Canada by the Chaffey brothers who established the town after moving from Ontario Canada

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kairon156 t1_iwadfzg wrote

I take it no one thought to tell them "this could get confusing down the road."

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HelpStatistician t1_iwanxew wrote

Well considering their main form of long distance communication was a letter delivered by horse... I don't think they did consider how the internet and instant worldwide communication might leads to problems with same name cities...

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smitetheworld t1_iw9mcds wrote

There is an Ontario in California. Address is also Ontario, CA. Lol

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razorirr t1_iwar8rn wrote

And for people in the USA, its basically 100% more important then the entirety of canada, since it is a major shipping hub on the west coast. You randomly see your box hit Ontario, CA and wonder for a sec why its in toronto :P

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SalvageCorveteCont t1_iwb3jdf wrote

In Australia we mainly use three letter state abbreviations, helps avoid this. That said we also tend to use Aus instead of AU, so

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BigPretender t1_iwbrpr8 wrote

Too bad. AU would have been gold.

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X2F0111 t1_iwd9snn wrote

Amazing comment that I suspect will go over many heads. It deserves a gilding.

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errorwrong t1_iw9n8yo wrote

I look forward to every building in Ontario California going up in the flames of a wildfire. Lol

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Elman103 t1_iwb9xvp wrote

Still going to 2 bucks or more. We’re fucked.

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ldnk t1_iwbqs2p wrote

Canada's Ontario still sitting on Federal money to help pay for Health Care but won't because he's an evil fat piece of shit.

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