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EsotericAbstractIdea t1_j2fj3u9 wrote

>I guess if cops can't have the biggest caliber weapons, might as well strip them down to fisticuffs, right?

Look at how well Mexico's moderately armed police and military are at dealing with the drug cartels we created.

>Doesn't seem to be a problem in every other country that actually tried to do something, rather than throwing up their hands immediately and declaring there's nothing to be done and no point trying.

No other country has ever had the saturation of guns, wealth, and mental health issues as us. The second most armed nation, switzerland was fine with machine guns in every mans home for decades. Hint: it's not the gun.

>The last 25 years have been "on the verge of war". Even before Bush went after the middle east. People have always used that as an excuse. And the George Floyd protests didn't go worldwide. We had people with signs supporting it, but protests were already going on. They just added a name to their signs for a couple of weeks.

Exactly why we need to be armed. You're not going to talk an armed gang out of oppressing you without something to backup your demands. It's like being yelled at by a toddler. Cute, but, this is what's happening.

>A revolution against the police. Fucking lol. How dare they call them out on how much they abuse citizens and demand some form of accountability. And to drive the point home, the cop's response to those protests was overwhelming violence. Even against people completely uninvolved. In what other country do you see the police firing on people in their own house, or driving around in vans taking potshots at regular people walking around? Yeah, can't imagine why people might want these cops to be held to some kind of standard.

Exactly. Those other countries have removed the will to fight from their people so well, that they are practically defenseless. It was less than a lifetime ago when Hitler took over all of Europe. I do not subscribe to their idea of security.

>Once again, I need to bring this to your attention. You've brought up once again that I want to take guns away from you, even though at no point I've ever once said that. I did ask why cops need to have rifles at all times even though the situation is extremely rare that they're necessary. You took that one thing and then strawmanned the fuck out of it to get upset about something else.

Same reason I need heavy artillery in my backyard. I'd rather have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it. Again, see Ukraine.

>We didn't spend trillions, we spent $68 billion. We spend 1.64 trillion on ourselves. 68 billion? That's barely a footnote. 4% of our budget. And we didn't arm citizens, we armed the government's military. Ukraine has also been in constant turmoil with Russia, whereas we have no active threat to us. At most you're scared of what, a guerilla attack by an extremist group? The most likely extremist you're going to get killed by in the US is an armed white supremacist, according to the FBI and Homeland.
>You think any other country that might attack us gives a shit that Joe Blumpkin owns an AR-15? Nah, they give a shit about our nukes, drones, bombs, and air superiority. Don't delude yourself thinking you're going to defend your country with your personal arsenal.

4% of our budget because a potential ally is fighting one of our oldest enemies. You're saying they're only arming the military, but they prevented males from leaving the country and conscripted them at the beginning of this war, before they had enough small arms to arm them. We were sending rifles at the beginning. I'm saying that if they had them in the first place, Russia probably wouldn't have even tried it. If they still did try it, Mariupol wouldn't be a fucking mass grave of innocent civilians right now. You don't round up 100,000 armed people if all you have is broken AK's.

All Afghanistan had AK's and jeeps. The taliban held off a 20 year war from the world's premier military. Yes an armed population can defeat tyranny from any source, foreign or domestic. The citizens always outnumber the military. If they could only recognize the power of the third box, we could actually fix the world.

​"A man's rights rest in three boxes. The ballot box, jury box and the cartridge box." Frederick Douglass

Speaking of which, I am a black man. I know damn well the most likely extremist I'd be killed by is a white supremacist. So... if they come, the firepower will be equal.