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SunCloud-777 OP t1_j1l7wyi wrote

  • After serving 23 years in prison and being released earlier this year, Adnan Syed has been hired by Georgetown University. Syed began work as a program associate for the school's Prisons and Justice Initiative (PJI), which offers educational programs and training for incarcerated individuals.

  • Syed was convicted of the 1999 killing of his ex-girlfriend, Hae Min Lee, which became a high profile case years later when it was covered on the "Serial" podcast. Syed maintained his innocence and was exonerated this year when Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby announced all charges brought against him were to be dropped, saying new tests revealed a "DNA mixture of multiple contributors" on Lee's shoes and that Syed's DNA was excluded.

  • Syed, now 41, began his new role at Georgetown on Dec. 12, the school announced this week. In his role he will support the PJI program, which includes a Making an Exoneree class, that has students reinvestigate wrongful convictions. The students work to bring innocent people home from prison and create short documentaries about cases.

  • "To go from prison to being a Georgetown student and then to actually be on campus on a pathway to work for Georgetown at the Prisons and Justice Initiative, it's a full circle moment," Syed said in a statement. "PJI changed my life. It changed my family's life. Hopefully I can have the same kind of impact on others."

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YamburglarHelper t1_j1lsng8 wrote

> Syed, now 41, began his new role at Georgetown on Dec. 12, the school announced this week. In his role he will support the PJI program, which includes a Making an Exoneree class, that has students reinvestigate wrongful convictions. The students work to bring innocent people home from prison and create short documentaries about cases.

My man. When your life has been distilled into bullshit, you might find passion, and from passion a cause. I hope these folks manage to right some more wrongs in this world.

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drawkbox t1_j1n8i16 wrote

I think their should be a whole separate organization and division of investigative forces that take each police conviction and really do the deep dives that never happen when police forces want to close cases quickly due to overwork and metrics. Lots of the suicides of high profile people for instance, or small town sketchiness where Sheriffs basically are mini kings, or enforcement scams. This type of police force would be heroes and they'd keep people honest who investigate.

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waffebunny t1_j1nizv5 wrote

Agreed! For an individual to be wrongly convicted requires multiple institutions to fail in lockstep (i.e. the police, the prosecution, the courts).

Why would we task this same organizations with investigating such instances? Oversight should be conducted by an independent entity (preferably one with federal-level authority; and staffed by individuals removed from law enforcement / prosecution).

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duersondw23 t1_j1m0t5r wrote

I’m feeling like the real story is getting buried here. Our nation has an issue with recidivism. Adnan found a program that is far too difficult to take advantage of in many cases, which is designed to put people in a better place upon their release, reducing recidivism. The program adnan was hired into helps bring to light more cases where wrongful conviction may have occurred, and has actual, soon-to-be lawyers working on them. Whether he was guilty or not, the article is about what comes next;something good can come of this

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eldred2 t1_j1nd7aw wrote

Sadly, too many in the US just want prisoners to suffer.

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Richard_Sauce t1_j1o7f2m wrote

All they want is punishment, and any suggestion that puts rehabilitation first is seen as "soft on crime."

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LostMyKarmaElSegundo t1_j1n5t7g wrote

Definitely. Let's focus on the good.

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drawkbox t1_j1n8s9p wrote

In a world of bad and good, spend more time on the good. Don't let bad own the debate.

Unfortunately we live in a rage based distraction economy. Marketing today is about "engagement". The most effective engagement is enragement.

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bobloblawslawflog t1_j1lcuxi wrote

I love how this must be screwing with the most die-hard guilters - those self-righteous jerks who ran off all of the intellectually curious for years and years. Such a sweet outcome.

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porkinz t1_j1lve46 wrote

I only perused the serial subreddit occasionally, but over time, most people became guilters in the sense that there was no way he wasn’t involved. The state did a lot of shady shit that absolutely should get him off due to technicality, but that doesn’t mean he was involved. Just that the DA decided not to pursue it again because it’s a stain on their establishment, so they want to bury it instead of ending up finding more bad apples in the justice system.

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SpaceTabs t1_j1m1lhg wrote

I was convinced it wasn't him when the phone data was impeached. That was seven years ago in 2015. Serial podcast was in 2014. The only people I heard implicating him are the victim's family, and the MD Attorney General Brian Frosh in 2019, but he was obviously wrong.

Fun fact: this month the MD Court of Special Appeals was renamed to the MD Supreme Court.

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md4024 t1_j1pwvte wrote

Yeah, regardless of whether or not he deserved to be convicted, there's almost no chance he wasn't involved with the murder. He clearly had a plan to fake car trouble to get the victim alone after school, he failed to come up with a realistic explanation for where he was and what he was doing during the time period when the murder took place, and he was the only potential suspect who had the motive, means, and opportunity to commit the crime. If Adnan truly had nothing to do with the murder, his accomplice who confessed to helping dispose of the body - no matter how unreliable that accomplice was - would have been taking an enormous risk that Adnan wouldn't be able to come forward with an airtight, provable alibi that exposed the entire story as a lie. Sadly, this seems like a pretty clear case of domestic violence and a teenager who couldn't handle being rejected. I don't think it's a huge tragedy or anything that Adnan was released, but it's also not a case where a clearly innocent person was wrongfully convicted.

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czar_kazem t1_j1mgep0 wrote

That fact that people took a very serious plight of justice and split into cliques with silly little group identifiers like "guilters" like they're cheering for their favorite sports team is so fucking sad.

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WilliamMinorsWords t1_j1lddw7 wrote

What is a "guikter"? Google was no help.

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Maria-Stryker t1_j1q2fqw wrote

I’m m guessing it’s a term in the Serial fandom for people convinced that Adnan was rightfully convicted

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givemeflac t1_j1lu080 wrote

I wouldn’t say I’m a “guilter”, I never followed the podcast or case except for that I worked at the Best Buy mentioned in the case. Another coworker and I from Geek Squad got curious when it was slow one day during the height of the podcast. We decided to try to track down where the payphone would be since we had people asking about it all the time. We found a few outlet blanker panels at the front exit, we then went to the room that is next to where the outlet panels were mounted, which is the security office, we then found telephone cables running to those blanker panels. We then traced the cables through the drop ceiling over to the telecom room a couple rooms down from the security office, we then found them on the phone line punch down. So there was a pay phone at the front of Best Buy, just that it would have been long removed by the time the podcast was under production.

I believe him to be guilty but he was a minor when he did it and has served over 23yrs in prison. I think thats enough time served for a crime committed when being a minor. Especially since he has a perfect prison record, and has gotten educated while in prison. I wish him the best of luck with his job at the university.

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BooTheSpookyGhost t1_j1movne wrote

What do you think about if he were able to drive that route? I can’t remember off the top of my head- either from the school to BB or from that guys house to BB.

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givemeflac t1_j1mqtjh wrote

Again I’m not involved in this case other than people coming into the Best Buy asking about a pay phone, then briefly looking up the case. So I assume your talking about Woodlawn High? That’s on the other side of 695. I did that drive all the time to get food on my lunch break from the shopping centers across the street from the school. About a 5 minute drive.

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bobloblawslawflog t1_j1ldl6d wrote

Guilter, sorry - the people who believed Adnan guilty and spent a decade lording their supposed superior understanding of the case over everyone.

You know, the losers who were wrong.

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WilliamMinorsWords t1_j1ldrxh wrote

Oh. I've never heard of this guy.

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bobloblawslawflog t1_j1ldyfk wrote

r/adnansyed

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WilliamMinorsWords t1_j1lenrc wrote

Hard pass. I don't deal with amateur detectives, gossip hounds and fanbois and girls who think they have either guilt or innocence figured out. Makes me ill. These people forget there are real victims and families out there who don't need to see their loved one casually tossed around like this. The speculation is tiresome. Everyone forgets about the victims.

Thank you for bringing it to my attention that this is obviously a big case. I'll look into the facts of the case elsewhere, however.

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z9nine t1_j1lfnae wrote

There was very good podcast about this called Serial. It's been a few years, but from what I remember it was fairly to sorta neutral. If you want to hear some more about the case.

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GeronimoSonjack t1_j1p4xrn wrote

Serial absolutely was not neutral, the host became weirdly obsessed with Syed and fell for his act completely.

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z9nine t1_j1pfwos wrote

TBH, I haven't listened to it, or really cared about the people in the case since it aired. But I don't really remember many points in the series, as it aired, that made me stop and think she was not being objective. There were a few points in the last half that I felt that. But, from what I remember, as a whole it wasn't biased in a way I thought it was disingenuous or slanted one way or the other.

But, I have no skin in the game. I have no opinion as to guilt one way or the other. I just enjoyed the pod cast and figured someone else may as well.

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kmiddlestadt t1_j1uhg51 wrote

I still believe he did it in the library in the backseat of the car and nothing will change that.

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Katedawg801 t1_j1mliy7 wrote

You’re not very bright if you think he killed her.

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bullshitemporium t1_j1n2tsf wrote

You should watch the extensive Crime Weekly podcast done on this case. I think Adnan was definitely involved with her murder. It takes a non-biased look at all of the evidence and explores multiple people that could have been involved.

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foozballisdevil t1_j1nbr2g wrote

But he shouldn't have been convicted 23 years ago based on what the prosecution had...

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UtahCyan t1_j1mpjqo wrote

Based on what evidence.... Phone call. The cell phone data was proven to be shit. DNA evidence? That's been shown to involve someone else and excluded him. Timeline.... Wow, I wish I could remember every detail from a few days ago let alone a week ago. There really is no evidence. And evidence of someone else. We likely will never know who that is because the DA doesn't want to touch the case anymore

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Gaius_Octavius_ t1_j1mrbwc wrote

Based on the fact that he never once tried to call her after she died after calling her multiple times per day before her death.. If you ex went missing, you don't think you would call her once?

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Clw89pitt t1_j1ms2pr wrote

Thank goodness that sort of bullshit behavioral "evidence" is generally insufficient to convict someone of a crime. Imagine if you could be convicted of murder and the best evidence is some random redittor thinks you should have called your ex.

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Gaius_Octavius_ t1_j1msd59 wrote

I never said I would convict him or put him in prison. But that doesn't mean he wasn't involved either.

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TIMPA7 t1_j1mwh8o wrote

You can’t put people in prison for life because they didn’t call their ex enough.

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Gaius_Octavius_ t1_j1mwwv5 wrote

We can double check but I don't recall ever saying he should be in prison. Just because there is not enough evidence to convict does not mean he was not involved. OJ was also acquitted but we all know he still did it.

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jeffyoulose t1_j1n033o wrote

OJ is definitely innocent. He wrote about it in his book. But Jay is a porn shop clerking / weed smoking liar. He framed Adnan.

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Gaius_Octavius_ t1_j1n0bo9 wrote

Adnan and Jay doing it together seems to be the most likely outcome.

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jeffyoulose t1_j1nxy7a wrote

I think if Jay disappears or dies mysteriously. We will know who the killer was. OJ.

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foozballisdevil t1_j1nbt17 wrote

Why didnt Don call her after that night?

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Gaius_Octavius_ t1_j1nc25l wrote

Had he been obsessively calling her multiple times per day as well?

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foozballisdevil t1_j1ncrdw wrote

I mean they talked a lot, right before Hae went missing... And then he just stopped calling too. And was unable to be contacted by the police for several hours after Hae's disappearance...

But yeah... Adnan is the only possible suspect.

You know the guy who is part of the culture where honor killings happen... And that the police/prosecution used that as part of their motive ... Hmmm...

And his religious roots also hurt him when asking for bail, because he had all these "aiders and abetters" willing to whisk Adnan out of the country...

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Gaius_Octavius_ t1_j1nj4x9 wrote

There was never any other circumstantial evidence of him being involved. There was with Adnan.

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foozballisdevil t1_j1ofkou wrote

What, the uh, ever-changing testimony of Jay Wilds? And his associate who got her conflicting second-hand information from, heh, Jay...

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UtahCyan t1_j1mru1t wrote

Or you know, they broke up and they are teenagers...

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Gaius_Octavius_ t1_j1ms3tu wrote

Teenagers are even more obsessed with their exes. Adnan had repeatedly shown to be incredibly jealous of Hae's new boyfriend.

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GimmeDatSideHug t1_j1pcp5p wrote

Pretty weak ass evidence. Not calling someone is not evidence of murder.

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Gaius_Octavius_ t1_j1pzftw wrote

And that is why it is not enough to convict him or keep him in jail.

But that doesn’t mean he had nothing to do with it either.

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UtahCyan t1_j1mp33l wrote

There was no real evidence and the DNA excluded him and pointed to someone else. Who that is, we will probably never know because the DA is done with the case.

On a statistical level of just surface level evidence, sure statistically, he was the most likely person. But the bar of evidence is reasonable doubt. And the was plenty of reasonable doubt. It's not our place to continue to claim he's guilty. According to the state, he's innocent and that should be good enough.

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monstervet t1_j1msnjs wrote

Lots to argue with, but ultimately I agree that it’s decided. I don’t think he’s the best person to advocate for prisoner rehab programs, but I’m glad he is. There’s a lot of people that do abhorrent things when they’re young, they deserve a chance to make a new life after they paid their debt to society. Nothing will bring Hae Min back, but I’m still glad Adnan is attempting to do something positive with his life.

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