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ruiner8850 t1_j1599g3 wrote

It's pathetic how terrified the Taliban is of women.

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pgajria t1_j16i5ye wrote

Their name literally means "Students" and they're afraid of education. More importantly, they're afraid of being challenged by the gender that's been oppressed for a millenia.

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maneki_neko89 t1_j176481 wrote

>...and they're afraid of education. More importantly, they're afraid of being challenged by the gender that's been oppressed for a millenia.

A lot of people in the US think and feel the same...

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AstroPixelCollector t1_j158zq7 wrote

Banning education for women makes Afghanistan is a country with officially half a brain.

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OutrageousMatter t1_j160cjh wrote

Mate, the taliban are just a bunch of men whose laws are truly medieval, be a thief have your hand cut off, adultry, hope to god they don't find out for get stoned.

Also thank the us government in supporting them against ussr with cia giving them funding and weapons.

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peepeesmellslikepoop t1_j16xwrf wrote

The CIA didn't support the Taliban or Bin Laden against the USSR in Afghanistan because the Taliban didn't exist at the time and Bin Laden and his Middle Eastern foreign fighters hated the West and didn't want their money. The CIA did support the Afghan Mujahideen. The Mujahideen consisted of seven major factions, one or two of them had members that became parts of the Taliban, Pashtuns in the south. Most became part of the Northern Alliance and worked with the US when we invaded the country in 2001.

I see this whole "the US started/supported the Taliban" trope getting thrown around a lot on reddit and it's simply not true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_mujahideen

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PMmeserenity t1_j17bpxo wrote

You're not wrong about the timeline, but it's also true that the US made common cause with a lot of terrible warlords and elevated their status and abilities, and that that support was important to the development of both the Taliban and al Queda. The chain of events is more complicated than "US supported the Taliban", but the connections are there--US foreign policy was (and still is) stupid and shortsighted.

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peepeesmellslikepoop t1_j17ftun wrote

That's a vague claim. Who are all these alleged warlords that changed the course of the Global War on Terror? You're implying that there's all this behind the scenes smoke and mirror stuff but look at the reality of the situation. Here's what the US did to the Taliban and Al Qaeda as a matter of fact: We relentlessly hunted the leader of the Taliban, Mullah Omar, until he turned up dead from diabetes in Pakistan. We imprisoned most of the Taliban leadership in 2001 and put them in Gitmo, but we let them go in exchange for one of our dipshit soldiers that ran away from his base. For Al Qaeda, we killed their two leaders, Bin Laden and al-Zawahiri, and we killed the third guy in charge more times than I can count. We may have turned a blind eye to some drug trafficking and small arms trading. That's not cool, but it's a drop in the bucket compared to all the people we killed and detained during our 20 year occupation of Afghanistan. The US military and government aren't great at making good things happen in foreign countries, but they're good at what they do. Look at Ukraine. Look at all the dead Russians and their destroyed equipment. That's US technology and information at work. You can call it stupid and shortsighted, but you're wrong.

Our biggest mistake in Afghanistan was after we killed Bin Laden, that we didn't declare victory, and then leave that godforsaken place.

e: I in no way mean to discredit the bravery of the men and women fighting in Ukraine. I'm pointing out that the US is their prime supplier of arms, equipment, and information.

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PMmeserenity t1_j17gkt9 wrote

I'm talking about stuff that happened in the 70's-90's, that led to men like Bin Laden and al-Zawahiri becoming powerful. And I'm not "implying that there's all this behind the scenes smoke and mirror stuff", I'm stating it as fact. The CIA and other special ops were active in Afghanistan for decades, and we funneled money and arms to all kinds of radical, Islamist warlords who also happened to oppose the USSR. I'm not going to write a history essay here, but there are literally hundreds of books on the subject, from every point of view and ideological angle. But nobody sincerely argues that the US wasn't active in Afghanistan, and armed/funded shitty warlords for decades. The US was giving hundreds of millions of dollars annually to all kinds of militant factions in Afghanistan in the 80's. A lot of that ended up training and equipping the dudes who became the Taliban--not just the famous leaders, but the thousands and thousands of men who followed them too.

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Rizla_TCG t1_j17ihpw wrote

I think we go back as far as 58 with the meddling...

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OutrageousMatter t1_j19ipu0 wrote

Meddling, way way farther, started before the spanish-american war basically when america entered the second industrial revolution, the one that turned america from a little small known nation into an economic superpower. Turner was the one who kinda kicked started the event in which corporations will use america for it's own interest.

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Sarcofaygo t1_j17rvcq wrote

Operation Cyclone is the name of the program

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OutrageousMatter t1_j18cyyo wrote

Of course we supported the mujahideen freedom fighters but lets ignore the fact the leaders of the taliban were mujahideen fighters. The taliban didn't exist but the leaders existed and leaders went on to form the taliban and start a war. You need to ask yourself, how could the taliban start a war, where did they get weapons from? We may say we didn't but we gave the leaders the weapons to use against their own nation. We allowed them to kickstart with the weapons we gave to them to fight against the soviet union.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban#Soviet_intervention_in_Afghanistan_(1978%E2%80%931992) Looks under soviet intervention we gave the leaders weapons.

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mtarascio t1_j154ono wrote

Low hanging 'support' fruit.

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DavidVee t1_j16wrur wrote

It's pretty bad when Sadia Arabia and Qatar have to give you a talkin' to about human rights.

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comeonwhatdidIdo t1_j15sxtg wrote

They are the one's that financed these cunts in the first place.

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evdp t1_j16a523 wrote

Not us, blame the USA and the CIA.

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Rizla_TCG t1_j17il4v wrote

What's your tinfoil budget like?

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Sarcofaygo t1_j17s8xy wrote

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

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Clever_Word_Play t1_j1af20s wrote

Afghan mujahideen are not the Taliban. A former Mujahideen did start the them, but the remaining were against the Taliban

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Sarcofaygo t1_j1aghpr wrote

How it started

>Afghan mujahideen are not the Taliban.

How it's going

>A former Mujahideen did start the them

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Clever_Word_Play t1_j1ah2mx wrote

Also former, larger portion were the northern alliance that sided with the US

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Sarcofaygo t1_j1ah9md wrote

Tfw you try to defeat Russia by teaming up with terrorists to ... ???? I don't think they thought that one all the way thru

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SIUonCrack t1_j17w0mg wrote

It is common knowledge that the US government funded the taliban in the 80s to fight the Soviets. The US is just as responsible for the situation in Afghanistan.

Edit: should note that I don't agree with the OC that Saudis are blameless.

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Methylatedcobalamin t1_j189exo wrote

You know you have gone over the deep end when Saudi Arabia and Qatar are telling you that you have taken Sharia too far.

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musicmastermike t1_j19jjgz wrote

Saudi is changing

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Methylatedcobalamin t1_j19tdg6 wrote

It took them until the 1960s to outlaw slavery. They also bankrolled the Taliban at least through the Afghanistan - USA war. They can't be changing quickly.

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HurricaneAlpha t1_j16mpdi wrote

I get the hatred for both Qatar and Saudi Arabia in these comments. But can we at least commend them for speaking up about the issue? Progress is progress. Saudi arabia is one of the most powerful islamic countries out there, and Qatar just hosted a worldwide event (with many, many controversies). If they're speaking, I bet the rest of the islamic world is listening.

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djm19 t1_j160mot wrote

I think both societies are worried about popular revolts that can snowball into larger democratic and human rights issues in both nations.

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GeigerCounterMinis t1_j16hrlk wrote

Man, remember when we had ads in newspapers and magazines asking us to donate weapons and money to the taliban to defeat the Russians and we totally did.

Good times.

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Rizla_TCG t1_j17inov wrote

That's the Mujahideen.

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GeigerCounterMinis t1_j17itn0 wrote

Who do you think the Mujahideen became?

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Taliban

>The Taliban emerged in the aftermath of the Afghan War (1978–92). Afghanistan’s new government failed to establish civil order outside of Kabul, and much of the country was subject to frequent extortion and assault from local militias and warlords. Facing mass displacement during the war, many Afghans found solidarity in the religious rhetoric of the mujahideen resistance and opportunity in schools of Islamic sciences (called madrasahs) in southern Afghanistan and northern Pakistan. In 1994 a group of former fighters, associated with a madrasah in a village of Kandahār province, successfully subdued a local warlord and began pacifying nearby areas. The faction, which enjoyed popular support with its promise of security and its religious fervour, quickly grew into the movement now known as the Taliban. By late 1996 the Taliban had seized the capital, Kabul, and gained effective control over some two-thirds of the country.

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RandomFactUser t1_j1a4w45 wrote

Didn’t part of them also form the Northern Alliance? You know, the domestic opponents of the Taliban?

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Dahns t1_j18afjd wrote

Imagine : You let Saudi Arabia get the moral high ground over you

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Sgt_Fumble t1_j15bg2q wrote

oh, boy. I freudian slipread "reverse cowgirl".

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JubeltheBear t1_j15e458 wrote

I thought a Freudian slip was when you said one thing but meant your mother?

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Triphin1 t1_j16v87a wrote

Insert clever Freudian mumbo jumbo + cigar reference.... Oh wait I remember the main thrust of what Freud said - the main source of all your problems is your butthole. This Actually has alot of factualness with all the butthurt nowadays

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