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RandomChurn t1_j0w1b2d wrote

Reply to comment by SharpieBass in FTX founder Bankman-Fried sent back to Bahamas jail in day of courtroom chaos -CNBC by wander9077

Last week his Stanford law-professor parents requested he be served vegan meals and be given his ADD meds 🙄

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OregonIT t1_j0w4fq0 wrote

okay, I mean....that actually kinda seems reasonable if he is religiously vegan, and the meds bit for sure nothing wrong with giving a mental disability like adhd proper medication, you would not deny a limping person a crutch/cane.

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RandomChurn t1_j0w58di wrote

In a US prison, possibly. In one of the world's most notorious jails? Beyond unlikely

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bad13wolf t1_j0wfhaj wrote

You would be surprised, or not. It typically takes a really long time for your prescribed meds to be approved so you can take them while in jail. Not sure about the prison process but I know plenty who it either took like a month or didn't happen at all. Medical wings in jails are stretched so thin because of opoid addiction that they keep detoxing patients in separate units until they're either bailed out or "done" detoxing and moved. And no, you don't get any help for that either.

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tjkrtjkr t1_j0wcpl7 wrote

Just curious why someone would need ADHD meds in jail at all?

Edit: I have ADHD and take medicine for it daily. Why would someone in prison need to focus intently on anything? Keep downvoting clowns, sbf should be treated like every other prisoner no Adderall.

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jade09060102 t1_j0wdo11 wrote

ADD can be associated with impulsive behaviors. That’s not something compatible with prison

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tjkrtjkr t1_j0welx6 wrote

I have ADHD, and am medicated for it daily. Why does someone in jail need to focus, or limit "impulsive" behaviors?

Edit: Bring on the downvotes, I could care less. I hope this fraud sweats through his withdrawals.

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jade09060102 t1_j0wfpyb wrote

I’m also medicated for ADHD. Even on days when I’m not working, I take my meds. They help me with curbing binge eating behaviours, over talking in social situations, fidgeting etc. overall improve my day to day life significantly. I think the effect of ADHD medication differ quite a bit from person to person.

When SBF eventually serve his sentence (which he will :P), he will be expected to work in prison. If he’s truly diagnosed with ADHD, medication will help him perform his prison duty.

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tjkrtjkr t1_j0wh1m8 wrote

I agree, effects do differ from person to person. When you go to prison/jail though, you give up your right to these helpful medications. Why should sbf be treated differently than any other prisoner there?

Edit: Yet again, prisons don't allow stimulant medications, period. When he goes to prison, he most certainly will not be treated any differently than other prisoners, and he won't have stimulants.

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epcd t1_j0xgroo wrote

According to the current medications guidance document for federal prison inmates, Federal Bureau of Prisons Health Services: National Formulary, Part I (16 May 2019), adult ADHD medications—atomoxetine (Strattera®), methylphenidate (Ritalin®), amphetamine/dextroamphetamine (Adderall®/Dexedrine®)—can be prescribed and administered.

Since ADHD drugs are classified as controlled substances, inmates cannot personally possess or self-administer these types of medications. Instead, “a single dose of medication is administered [to the inmate] at Pill Line by a qualified employee, and that dose is consumed in the presence of the employee.”

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tjkrtjkr t1_j0xkyn9 wrote

https://www.bop.gov/resources/pdfs/adult_adhd_cd.pdf

Stimulants being the last option in their strategy, I stand corrected. Read the link I posted and you'll see they're a last resort due to abuse potential.

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epcd t1_j0xqxex wrote

I was aware of this, per the BOPHS Nat’l Formulary. Nevertheless, thank you for sharing a BOP link specific for ADHD treatments and medications (and may none of us, clad in unfashionable orange, ever have to queue up in a penal pill line).

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tjkrtjkr t1_j0xs5tn wrote

Thank you for sharing your link as well, and agreed!

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jade09060102 t1_j0wlo6m wrote

If that’s prison policy then idk. Never been to prison…

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tjkrtjkr t1_j0wnkg2 wrote

Neither have I. ADHD can be treated with medications/therapies other than stimulants. While they do help, they're not a cure-all. Not sure why people are insisting he NEEDS his Adderall.

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TheShadowKick t1_j0z011m wrote

Not sure why you're so opposed to someone getting their medication.

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tjkrtjkr t1_j0zk3xb wrote

Not sure why people are acting like Adderall is comparable to Insulin. Ask an average person if they're given their Adderall while in jail.

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TheShadowKick t1_j12arh8 wrote

> Ask an average person if they're given their Adderall while in jail.

If it's prescribed by a doctor then the answer should absolutely be yes.

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tjkrtjkr t1_j12beqb wrote

You fail to realize the risk factors with prescribing a Schedule 2 medication in a correctional setting.

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TheShadowKick t1_j12cu11 wrote

People should have access to their medications. That's just a basic moral requirement.

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tjkrtjkr t1_j12e584 wrote

Yet again, it's a scheduled medication with high abuse potential. If you feel so strongly about it, go petition the BOP for that category of medications to be used as front line treatments.

Edit: To add to this, he was using multiple medications that are questionable together while FTX was defrauding it's investors. I'd love to know from the many commenters about how this helped his "impulsivity" in the slightest. Seriously insane thought process.

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abfanhunter t1_j0wlxih wrote

Reddit is a joke half the time.

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tjkrtjkr t1_j0wnnbi wrote

Agreed. I'll stand by my point though, who cares about fake internet points.

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2SP00KY4ME t1_j0yiifq wrote

Focus intently? More like function. Sounds like you're damn lucky with your ADHD, some of us don't get to live like you.

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tjkrtjkr t1_j0zl27w wrote

Does someone literally need Adderall to live? Will they die without it? Again, not sure why people insist on this guy having Adderall in jail.

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2SP00KY4ME t1_j11uroc wrote

Is "literally will die without it" your standard for medical care? Jesus christ, I'm glad you're not in charge of anyone. While you're at it you should be arguing that imprisoned diabetics should have their insulin cut to just above survival level.

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tjkrtjkr t1_j12b0k7 wrote

You're talking about a controlled substance, in a jail where an average person won't get that treatment. But go ahead, keep making it seem like ADHD is some life threatening condition where he needs his Adderall. God forbid he gets prescribed a medication that's not a stimulant, y'all would have a hissy fit.

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2SP00KY4ME t1_j1adykv wrote

>God forbid he gets prescribed a medication that's not a stimulant

Lmao where did that even come from, you're just inserting opinions now. I also like how you continued to insist I claimed it's life threatening specifically after I told you that shouldn't be the bar. Read much?

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tjkrtjkr t1_j1bkz5f wrote

The way you talked about his prescription and needing it, yeah. He's prescribed Adderall a controlled medication, and yet y'all are saying he deserves to have it. Also, we were specifically talking about his prescription to Adderall, unless you've changed your tune on that. Nah bro, he lost that right when he defrauded all those investors.

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PointOfFingers t1_j0w4m1a wrote

I feel like he should be permanently off his ADD meds so he never has enough focus to start up another Ponzi scheme.

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HappierShibe t1_j0wxjn3 wrote

He wasn't just on prescribed meds, it sounds like he was on a truly wild cocktail of nueros, including several that are known to cause irrational risk seeking behavior, and dramatically increased susceptibility to gambling addiction.

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valiantthorsintern t1_j0x8ql8 wrote

If his meds are lit, you must acquit!

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beipphine t1_j0xhepi wrote

You joke, but Intoxication is a defense that is available. The defendant can claim that his compromised mental state prevented him from forming the necessary mens rea. The lawyers could argue that he did not have the specific intent to commit the crimes he has been accused of because he lacked the state of mind necessary.

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IANAL and this is not legal advice.

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mtarascio t1_j0y1bmi wrote

Not sure why you're being downvoted. It is a legitimate defence.

Unfortunately the cocktail he ended up on was likely shopped around or just acquired illegally in the first place.

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Aghast_Cornichon t1_j0zv5u5 wrote

Usually, unintentional intoxication. In my jdx we sentenced a guy to death for a multiple murder and arson that I am sure he really has no memory of because of the handle of vodka he drank first.

There may be a "Ritalin defense" attempt but it's exceptionally difficult to claim involuntary impairment over years of conspiratorial conduct.

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2SP00KY4ME t1_j0yim7k wrote

Actually, Adderall does the opposite. Sounds like you're just talking out of your butt.

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Aghast_Cornichon t1_j0zsjv6 wrote

What's the basis for that reporting ?

If from SBF himself, you should be prepared to be skeptical.

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HappierShibe t1_j1512mp wrote

He regularly posted or streamed his workspace/desk, complete with scrips bottles and boxes, with text and dosing clearly legible. It also falls in line with what some of his coworkers and house mates said about him.
A degree of skepticism is definitely warranted, but all of it predates the shit hitting the fan.

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Aghast_Cornichon t1_j15jefm wrote

Interesting, thanks !

Not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect is available as an affirmative defense in Federal criminal charges, but probably not in the inevitable civil lawsuits.

I would expect that this sort of argument would be most useful as a mitigating factor in the sentencing calculation.

Get ready for jurors to be dismissed because they have a lazy nephew who takes Ritalin.

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Squirmingbaby t1_j0wj5bm wrote

Was he being given his add meds when he blew through several billion dollars of investor money?

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LU90 t1_j0wsmh0 wrote

He had switched to cocaine during this time.

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WebHead1287 t1_j0xgckk wrote

Same thing really

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Letmeaddtothis t1_j0xzaai wrote

You are thinking of Meth-amphetamine that is a close relative to Amphetamine (ADD meds). Not the same though. Cocaine though a stimulant is a totally different chemically.

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XLV-V2 t1_j0xathm wrote

Why shouldn't he? We give special accommodations to religious sects and those on medications. Fuck, being in prison in the US, you get better medical treatment alot of time compared to people outside of jail in the same economic standing.

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RandomChurn t1_j0yjvt4 wrote

And probably he will get some sort of accommodation once he is extradited to the US -- which is why after four days in the Bahamian prison he did a 180 on contesting expedition.

My point was remarking upon the naïveté of his parents, thinking for one minute that he'd have a hope of getting those accommodations in one of the world's most notoriously awful prisons, or that he'd be allowed bail / home confinement in the Bahamas because they could not accommodate his needs

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