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l32uigs t1_j2ztztn wrote

i haven't really been paying attention but is the antisemitism because of kanye or because of Israel/Palestine?

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SpindriftRascal t1_j2zxwdq wrote

Those are symptoms, not causes. It happens always, waxing and waning throughout the world over the past several thousand years.

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Trompwnist t1_j329zki wrote

Ever since the Bar Kokhba revolt ended in diaspora and enslavement of the people of Judea (so mid 2nd century CE)

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fortfive t1_j304gzp wrote

Is there really antisemitism before the middle ages? I mean before that, they were conquered a few times, but the conqerors weren’t attacking just because they were hebrews, or treating them any worse than their other conquerees.

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domino2064 t1_j30avko wrote

>Is there really antisemitism before the middle ages? I mean before that, they were conquered a few times, but the conqerors weren’t attacking just because they were hebrews, or treating them any worse than their other conquerees.

Considering that the seleucids attempted what we'd consider genocide during the Maccabean Wars; the policies of the Roman and then Byzantine empires banning conversion to Judaism by death and then various, antisemitic policies since...

Yeah, it's been around for a long time.

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fortfive t1_j30za07 wrote

So maybe i’ll adjust my starting line to the formation of the catholic church, but things like genocide prior to that was just ancient geopolitics, and societies and warlords wiped each other out all the time. I mean, even the hebrews did it to the canaanites. Even in the egyptian slavery, it wasn’t really their jewish nature that led to oppression, pharaoh just wanted to keep exploiting cheap labor.

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SpindriftRascal t1_j309z92 wrote

Conquered a few times. Had the Temples sacked a couple times. Chased out of their homes repeatedly over the centuries around the continents. Had to adapt or assimilate to survive. I won’t spend time trying to understand the motives of those who would kill us. Res ipsa loquitur.

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fortfive t1_j30yuaa wrote

Prior to when christianity became the roman religion, though, it was just normal geopolitics right? Like the folks who who sacked and conquered weren’t singling out jews for being jewish, they were just conquering a rival society.

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fortfive t1_j30zrg6 wrote

Because I don’t see any history to suggest it. Prior to the time when christianity was made state religion, The romans didn’t treat hebrews any differently than their other subjects, like the greeks or the cartaginians. The babylonians didn’t really care who was occupying palestine, they just wanted the land and ports. Ancient societies were constantly wiping each other out, taking each other’s women, and imposing religion on their subjects.

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atlantis_airlines t1_j2zypr1 wrote

Neither.

Kanye west is the canary in a coal mine. He isn't the cause of the problem, just an indicator that there is one. And Israel was created as a safe heaven for Jews after the most intense period of antisemitism the world had seen to date. Antisemitism already existed well before either.

It's something that comes and goes and is self propagating. Antisemitism exists because people fall for rumors about groups they distrust, and they distrust these groups because there are rumors about them. Read a pamphlet about the dangers of Jews issued by the Nazis and it's the same claims and rhetoric from the medieval period. and the same stuff that's being thrown around today. No matter the era, there are people who will just hate jews and they all quote from the same stupid book.

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calm_chowder t1_j30u782 wrote

Not to mention antisemitism has existed in an almost unbroken chain for 2000 years. What we're seeing today didn't spring to life out of thin air, it's a link in a chain.

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nygaff t1_j3531pj wrote

Keep going... the Roman's weren't the first by any means.

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