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squidking78 t1_j3dibof wrote

Reply to comment by Sidewinder702 in A family finds swastikas in the lawn as antisemitism surges by Shaul_Ishtov

… none of the nations you cite are traditional western countries. Western values have issues with them as well. I take a dim view of autocrats or nations who think their emperor is god too, historically. None of that is healthy.

But we’re talking about Israel.

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Sidewinder702 t1_j3ro5bz wrote

Well I’m just pointing out Israel isn’t that unique when it comes to that. There are a lot of ethnostates in the world, and despite what values the western world preaches it still Allies itself with many of them .

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squidking78 t1_j3ruknh wrote

They’re entirely different to Israel anyway, with Israel being a nation of immigrants. The only immigrant based ethnostate in the world. At least the other nations you cite just exist there because the people via being there are “a nation of blood”. As xenophobic as they may be currently.

Only the West has nations based on ideas rather than “blood”. And Israel isn’t one of them. That needs to change.

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Sidewinder702 t1_j40pdo9 wrote

Actually that’s not entirely true. Israel allows Jewish converts of any ethnicity as far as I understand. Also I know a lot of the countries I referred to like Poland and Vietnam allow people with those ethnicities to come and live there and get citizenship easily. Which isn’t true for other people.

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squidking78 t1_j42im3o wrote

The only prerequisites that modern, less bigoted states have on immigrating is skill, familial connection and humanitarian need.

Not ethnicity, religion or race.

When you look at the nation without the marketed special status by the Israel lobby, the west would not support such bigoted ways by a country that ever deemed itself as part of their grouping.

Be a nation, not an enclave. Demographics are against it anyway, so make it an idea, not a racial identity.

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Sidewinder702 t1_j45x2ek wrote

Don’t forget about money. In many western countries you can basically buy citizenship by investing a lot of money so it’s not all altruistic. Also it isn’t just the Israeli lobby that makes the US favor Isreal. The US likes having an ally in the Middle East that will do what it wants. It’s the same with Saudi Arabia but even more so with Israel.

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