Savage_X t1_j39f927 wrote on January 6, 2023 at 11:10 PM

Reply to comment by CertifiedBlackGuy in Nonfarm payrolls rose 223,000 in December, as strong jobs market tops expectations by caesar____augustus

Bonds lost inflation adjusted 20% last year. Stocks lost inflation adjusted 25%. Its a little better, but retirees had few good options.

> Funnily enough, your analogy regarding cash is absolutely wrong in this case. Someone who had their entire 401k moved to cash in 2021 would be doing better than someone who's 401k was mostly stocks.

Not sure how I was wrong when that is what I said :) Sitting in cash and "only" losing the inflation amount was the best investment. Which is still crappy, and only can be a considered "good" in hindsight.

CertifiedBlackGuy t1_j39i6ci wrote on January 6, 2023 at 11:29 PM

Ah, I misinterpreted that, my b¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I cede that level of knowledge of the market to you. I yolo'd my own money in 2020 and made a stupid return, but that was money I was willing to lose. My own non-401k investment set up is far more conservative. I think it’s 40% lower yield, higher stability with some dividend paying stock as a buffer to the remainder growth-oriented stocks and ETFs. I forget the exact make up, but it was set up this way when i made it.

My point was more that I know people who never adjusted for age or retirement goal on their 401k. The values might have been lower, but I imagine it'd still be higher than at present.

But I also recognize the last couple years sucked for everyone. And it's why, in general, I am a strong supporter of stronger social safety nets. The idea of sustaining myself on my 401k sounds like a pipe dream. Especially if the new standard is once in a generation economic crises every other year