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privatelyowned t1_j4r1f1g wrote

Reply to comment by Bucket-O-wank in Hundreds of UK police face sack over sexual, domestic abuse offenses by BecuzMDsaid

Around 5% of the clergy are nonces which is in line with the general populace, not sure of the percentage for police

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Jimmni t1_j4r3ghl wrote

I can't believe I'm going to say something that sounds like it's in defence of a churches, but isn't that 5% specifically the Catholic Church, and isn't it 5% have been accused?

Clergy is a pretty broad term and there are lots of denominations/sects where child abuse just isn't a major issue. And despite what reddit often loves to think, an accusation is just that. An accusation.

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Old_Cheesecake_5481 t1_j4ruhzn wrote

It’s looking like the churches around the world have just as much a mass child raping problem as the Catholics.

What the Evangelicals get away with doing to children is far more terrifying Mainly because they try so much harder to hide it.

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Jimmni t1_j4rwada wrote

I would never let a child anywhere near an Evangelical, accused or not.

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Bucket-O-wank t1_j4r5nvd wrote

Imagine trying to prove accusations with a closed community…

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Jimmni t1_j4r9vxi wrote

And that changes what?

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Bucket-O-wank t1_j4rcbu1 wrote

Your reply apparently was a lesson in apologetics,

r/pastorarrested

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Jimmni t1_j4rfclr wrote

So you’re one of those who prefer feelings to facts huh.

Drag this site down even deeper into the circle-jerking misinformation to better support your desired views like a Republican if that makes you happy, I guess.

Expecting people to talk about facts not feelings is not apologetics. But if you feel like it is, I guess that makes it true!

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Bucket-O-wank t1_j4rgi3b wrote

What the hell are you on? Leave your sanctimony at home.

You don’t agree that certain organisations suppress bad press? be it the Police, the Pope, indeed any such group

Yes they’re accusations, do you not think any of those are warranted?

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Jimmni t1_j4rii3e wrote

Of course they do. But claiming 5% of clergy are pedos because 5% of Catholic clergy have been accused of abuse… that’s just a lie. You are happy to be a liar just because it suits your agenda? You do you but I prefer not to live my life with a bit more honesty.

You undermine your case with your dishonesty.

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Bucket-O-wank t1_j4rmk7x wrote

You carry on bolstering their good name.

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Jimmni t1_j4rpj9w wrote

You carry on smearing innocent people. (And don't try to twist that into me saying they're all innocent. They're not. They're just not all guilty like you claim. Hell, most of them aren't even Catholic.)

Also, who are "they" exactly? A lot of clergy do have good names, and support and help their local communities without diddling kids. I don't have a religious bone in my body but I don't let my lack of belief tarnish my opinion of all clergy, of all denominations and sects. Only an idiot would do that.

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Bucket-O-wank t1_j4rq068 wrote

With a past history of denial of any wrongdoing, fuck, downright suppression of abuse.

If only 5% are charged you know damn well it’s at least double that.

Shit, you’re not allowed to question the rhetoric.

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Jimmni t1_j4rq82y wrote

You're still acting like this 5% figure applies to all clergy. You do understand that it doesn't, right?

And you're still talking as if "clergy" = "Catholic." You realise it doesn't, right? It doesn't even mean "Christian."

What exactly do you think I'm arguing here? Did you even read my original comment?

Do you even understand that Catholicism is not synonymous with Christianity, and that Christianity is broken into many different denominations and sects?

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Cindexxx t1_j4tcm1m wrote

Y'all are way too semantic for me. But I gotta say, the whole "it's a closed community" and "what does that change" is just dumb AF. It changes reporting. You see some rando steal from a little food truck operation when they're not looking and you might say something. It's shitty.

But you see your struggling to eat family "grab a little something to stay alive" and you're probably not saying shit. Assuming it's a family you love.

When the cops know the others are planting drugs, they don't say shit. "Back the blue" or "thin blue line" take your pick.

So when a church (any church, I don't give a fuck) has respected members being accused, if anyone knows anything they're afraid to be rejected if they speak up. So they don't. And now your witnesses are gone.

So it stands to reason, that IF there's an average of 5% of members being accused (seems high but I'm not checking, it's not important) then it's nearly impossible the actual number isn't more than that. Because they don't turn on each other. It's "us" vs "them". The more personal the "us" is the more you overlook.

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Jimmni t1_j4tglyr wrote

I never claimed abuse wasn't rampant in the Catholic Church. I do not deny it's a closed community. I just think it's incredibly stupid and counterproductive to pretend like it's something rampant in all faiths, denominations and sects. Harping on and on about the Catholic Church isn't going to change that, just reinforce my point.

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Bucket-O-wank t1_j4wnfkj wrote

Don’t argue with this nob, he doesn’t know of what he speaks.

clergy

He thinks I’ve got a hard on for Catholics

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