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Torifyme12 OP t1_j4yapxc wrote

Reply to comment by akaasa001 in Berlin Won’t Allow Exports of German Tanks to Ukraine Unless U.S. Sends Its Own by Torifyme12

No you're right, but don't worry, some Germans will be by to tell you why you're wrong and they're secretly doing more than everyone else put together

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JellyBiafra54321 t1_j51z0yy wrote

right? I'm sick of this whole supporting European wars thing while Europeans sit there and complain about the US. Fund this shit by yourselves already.

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ApizzaApizza t1_j56eilw wrote

They supported us for 20 years in the Middle East my dude.

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Claystead t1_j58916x wrote

Okay, I agreed with the previous person but this is a pretty silly argument. Besides the Germans most of Europe has sent a massive amount of military aid even if they can’t match the quantities the US can provide. The Baltic countries have literally sent like a third of their annual military budget, Denmark is sending almost their entire self propelled artillery park, Norway has sent one quarter of their winter uniforms a fifth of their anti-air systems, Poland and Slovakia have sent huge sections of their armored vehicle parks, including almost all the old Soviet stuff, and the British in addition to sending tanks, artillery and missile systems are training thousands of Ukrainian soldiers on their soil. Even the French are chipping in (even if it seems they do it mostly to do better than the Germans and to keep up with the British). Finland is about to send tanks too, despite not being in NATO. You can see the full list here. In total Europe has contributed well over $100 billion in aid so far, and it is Europe which has committed to funding the brunt of reconstruction after the war, not the US.

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jens-2420 t1_j4zoczn wrote

Of course. Only in USA these supports are breaking news at least three times before they come.

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DefinitelyNotAliens t1_j518p1c wrote

The US has been propping up the Ukrainian military in foreign aid since before Russia invaded this time. Russia has been involved in a series of pushes and the US was selling older military tech that outstripped Ukrainian resources at a loss prior to this most recent invasion.

The whole Hunter Biden/ impeachment thing? That was over the US aid package to Ukraine. It was 250M in funding for equipment and training. We'd been sending Javelin launchers since before the war started.

We've sent billions in advanced weaponry and medical aid and it has predated the latest Russian invasion. Yes, it takes time to send weaponry over but we've been training Ukrainian forces since before the war started which is one of many reasons they were able to outlast the first two weeks and allow additional aid to arrive. Zelenskyy didn't run and the military held Kyiv. Part of that was they already had a limited number of Javelin launchers and other weaponry to stop armored advances. The stockpile has exploded in the last year, sure.

The US backing of Ukraine isn't new. There's absolutely standing to say we've done quite a bit without actually having soldiers directly engaged.

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