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Kyell t1_j9mvfcf wrote

They aren’t as a whole though. I’ve seen a few before it’s not that they are evil they are just super easy to manipulate.


regalrecaller t1_j9n3ltp wrote

I was at a shitty crustpunk bar once getting an after-work beer. One of those shitholes where the bartenders clearly hate you. So the bartender and I were ignoring one another when someone sits next to me and he immediately says, "no. get out."

And the dude next to me says, "hey i'm not doing anything, i'm a paying customer." and the bartender reaches under the counter for a bat or something and says, "out. now." and the dude leaves, kind of yelling. And he was dressed in a punk uniform, I noticed

Anyway, I asked what that was about and the bartender was like, "you didn't see his vest but it was all nazi shit. Iron crosses and stuff. You get to recognize them."

And i was like, ohok and he continues.

"you have to nip it in the bud immediately. These guys come in and it's always a nice, polite one. And you serve them because you don't want to cause a scene. And then they become a regular and after awhile they bring a friend. And that dude is cool too.

And then THEY bring friends and the friends bring friends and they stop being cool and then you realize, oh shit, this is a Nazi bar now. And it's too late because they're entrenched and if you try to kick them out, they cause a PROBLEM. So you have to shut them down.

And i was like, 'oh damn.' and he said "yeah, you have to ignore their reasonable arguments because their end goal is to be terrible, awful people."

And then he went back to ignoring me. But I haven't forgotten that at all.

Republicans are like that


Kittenscute t1_j9nkwn2 wrote


Stupid evil is still evil. Banal evil is still evil.

The most common form of evil is precisely the kind of evil you are stating here, the kind where common, ordinary people stop thinking critically and allow evil masterminds to dictate their thoughts and actions to hurt other common, ordinary people.

It doesn't matter one iota that they were "manipulated", their actions were evil and caused harm to innocents, and therefore their persons are also evil.

"I just followed orders" is not an excuse, it's damning evidence.


Kyell t1_j9ozgw8 wrote

You guys are ridiculous. I have a better understanding now of why they are so dug in. Some old mom thinks abortion is murder and so votes republican. Instead of saying you know Doris you just don’t understand you say they are evil. They think the exact same thing about you. Sounds like there can never be a way to work things out with the way you talk. I don’t agree with them but I do think there needs to be a way back for the gullible people otherwise you guys should just have the civil war now.