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snarlindog t1_j8uzmar wrote
well thats one way to live
predictingzepast t1_j8v1csi wrote
And Oprah didn't give her a show?
lahtidadi t1_j8v1d9d wrote
But was she good at it?
darkblash69 t1_j8v23oy wrote
She wasn't terrible, or she wouldn't have been able to do 20 yrs
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jppianoguy t1_j8v43jh wrote
Paywall, but this appears to be an interview with a psychotherapist.
Psychiatrists are actual MDs, not psychologists or therapists. Pretty sure they study the brain as well as the other systems in the body. They don't specialize in the brain itself (that would be a neurologist).
DizzyDifference665 t1_j8v43q9 wrote
This is giving me such a panic attack.
The one venue, the one arena I always assumed I'd be safe, was at the doctor's.
Fuck...
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garygnu t1_j8v4nm6 wrote
She concurred.
ddamex t1_j8v60ug wrote
Underrated comment right here.. hahaha
hour_of_the_rat t1_j8v6wza wrote
Maybe she will move into forgery fulltime.
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MikeTheGamer2 t1_j8v7tfv wrote
She could tell all her friends she was a doctor. You'd be surprised howmuch so little matters to someone.
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maninplainview t1_j8vaoaq wrote
Look up Linda Hazard, people. This shit happens all the time.
swisscriss t1_j8vdy4m wrote
Big deal, people in the medical profession are mostly of middling intellect anyway. Relying on memorization by rote and flow charts.
pbr3000 t1_j8vesft wrote
Doctor? Doctor. Doctor? Doctor...
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smurgleburf t1_j8vhmo8 wrote
wait until you read about how frequent death by medical errors are.
NinjerTartle t1_j8vi8k2 wrote
I fail to see what's Oniony about this?
smashkraft t1_j8vj97d wrote
My lived experience of the minor mistakes makes me firmly believe that I will experience at least 1 major mistake
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ConstantlySlippery t1_j8vmz4o wrote
> Alemi later went onto work as a psychiatrist and was admitted to the Royal College of Psychiatrists after passing the relevant exams using her fake MB ChB qualification.
So, she passed the test to be a Psychiatrist.
21_MushroomCupcakes t1_j8vnfo9 wrote
Weird, we talked about neurology quite a bit last time I took psych.
Agouti t1_j8vo74p wrote
lol have you even read that paper
It's talking about psychiatric labels from the DSM, not psychiatry as a profession
Seems like you are due for a few DSM labels if your own
livinginfutureworld t1_j8vp1xf wrote
Dat sweet sweet Doctor title that only doctors, dentists, and PHDs get to use ..
"The starts back there lady!"
"It's DOCTOR!"
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Cindexxx t1_j8vtcva wrote
He has so me point, but I don't really agree. Psychiatry helps a lot of people but it's basically a guessing game. Following the source from the link shared gave me this quote which makes a hilarious (to me) point.
>Young et al. (2014) memorably calculate that in the DSM-5 there are 270 million combinations of symptoms that would meet the criteria for both PTSD and major depressive disorder, and when five other commonly made diagnoses are seen alongside these two, this figure rises to one quintillion symptom combinations - more than the number of stars in the Milky Way
Kinda shitty lol.
Cindexxx t1_j8vtirm wrote
Lol, poor guy. Does his best to keep idiots from breaking everything and you do this.
007FofTheWin t1_j8vutjw wrote
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Drivethatman t1_j8vwwjk wrote
👏🏾Oprah👏🏾didn't👏🏾give👏🏾her👏🏾a👏🏾show?
Ramental t1_j8w0k8x wrote
Here in Germany as a house doctor you only need to know about 2 miracle medicine for all cases in life: Ibuprofen and Paracetamol. I don't remember ever getting anything prescribed without explicitly asking for it. And when I did, once the doctor suggested to increase the dosage if the thing doesn't work (which bears HUGE potential side-effects, which he didn't mention), and the other time I told about a problem, and the other doctor said "oh, it's probably already chronic. Do meditation or something".
If it doesn't help - you send the patient to the specialist and make it someone's else problem. Faking being a doctor in Europe (Germany at least) is probably the easiest job to fake of all.
comradoge t1_j8w16x4 wrote
It is a guessing game because of the nature of the complaints. When your back hurts it is not normal, that is easy to decide. But you have no motivation towards life? This complicates things by orders of magnitude. Maybe you are naturally born that way, maybe you had certain traumas, maybe you had no particular trauma but your upbringing lead you that way slowly, maybe you had shitty friends or family... List goes on. It is even harder for deciding what is normal and what is not. How much sadness or joy should counted as pathological and under what conditions?
Psychiatry has the most subjective organ of interest of all fields in medicine.
TBNRFIREFOX t1_j8w19i3 wrote
She’s gonna be doing another 20 years
trixayyyyy t1_j8w35nn wrote
Clown with bad reading comprehension
Eric1491625 t1_j8w37n5 wrote
>FOR 20 YEARS!!!
>What more proof is needed?
It was found that 30% of Pakistani pilots had fake licenses without crashing a plane or getting detected, is pilot a bullshit profession now?
A less regulated industry is going to be easier to sneak into, simple as that.
venReddit t1_j8w3lrd wrote
Dude an im here with my imposter syndrome...
luckylebron t1_j8w4etu wrote
She had an undergrad degree and passed those exams so she had some idea of the trade itself and how to counsel, I'm assuming.
luckylebron t1_j8w4jg0 wrote
Getting an appointment was probably a synch.
gencoloji t1_j8w9fnp wrote
Same. This happens much more often than you’d think. Wouldn‘t call it oniony.
RockerElvis t1_j8wamxu wrote
Glad I’m not sick.
JimC29 t1_j8wc297 wrote
You have to complete medical school to be a psychiatrist. They absolutely study the entire body. You really have no clue as to what you are talking about.
tomtomcowboy t1_j8wemrq wrote
Like the other ones are'nt ?
I mean ... cmon
SaltyBarDog t1_j8wf39e wrote
I smell a Co$ sock puppet.
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nylockian t1_j8wk9ec wrote
Not in the US lol. Highest median and average IQ by a decent margin. Other countries maybe not so much because the pay is lower.
vandalia t1_j8wmdry wrote
Dr. Phyllis
BoxMunchr t1_j8wn9dc wrote
Probably better than half of the doctors in the US
sexybimbogf t1_j8wohiz wrote
Actually per the article she pretended to be a psychiatrist. They technically have the title of doctor but the key difference is doctors practice medicine and psychiatrists do not. Interestingly, given who they allow to become a psychiatrist, she may not have been any less qualified than one that was properly credentialed. If you don't believe me, see how she wasn't caught for 20 fucking years.
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CatchingRays t1_j8wpinm wrote
Doc Notadoc.
team_pupNsuds95 t1_j8wq4md wrote
Nothing but the audacity..
toefurkyfuckmittens t1_j8wr2rc wrote
Heard about Dr Malachi Love Robinson? Kid started posing as a doctor in his teens and did it multiple times, then finally it happened enough that someone connected the different incidents together. He finally got a regular job and is now behind bars for embezzlement
DwedPiwateWoberts t1_j8wrp4s wrote
Dr. Sylvia Phyllis. Syl for short. Dr. Syl Phyllis.
not_octus t1_j8wti4j wrote
She wasn't great but not terrible
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urkldajrkl t1_j8wultf wrote
Not rich enough for Oprah. Oprah helps those who can help Oprah.
_CatLover_ t1_j8wuv5p wrote
Fake it til you make it
Ex-Pat-Spaz t1_j8ww9v7 wrote
What in F are you talking about? They are doctors first and finish Med school like every other doctor and then specialize in psychiatry afterwards. Whatever stupid links you posted, it appears you didn’t read them or probably and more likely didn’t comprehend them. We already have evidence you didn’t understand one of the articles you linked….
ciroccoo t1_j8wwlgc wrote
i wonder how she was found out. perhaps a series of complaints requiring oversight?
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AgentUpright t1_j8wxdyn wrote
Well, she didn’t make much, but she didn’t have any med school debt either.
KapnKrumpin t1_j8wzip9 wrote
TRUST NO ONE
snewz404 t1_j8x1dfv wrote
A client who I built a house for pretended to be an RN for a while and got caught but was good so the head RN let him leave without telling on him. He went on to get a job with Adobe and came up with one of their best platforms called Lightroom.
When fake it till you make it goes right I guess?
johndavismit t1_j8x1hmj wrote
I think that salary is pretty common for doctors in some European countries. It's part of the reason their healthcare costs aren't astonomical.
Many will do it because it's rewarding or because they'll only work 3 or 4 days a week.
invent_or_die t1_j8x1kn6 wrote
Fuck Oprah. She gave Jenny McCarthy a platform for anti-vaccine.
Shots! Shots for Everyone!
[deleted] t1_j8x1xl1 wrote
Dr. Jones, Dr. Jones, calling Dr. Jones... Dr. Jones, Dr. Jones, wa- guys where the fuck is Dr. Jones?
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Oh, she got arrested ? Why? Oh... really? That Suxx.
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Dr. Smith, can you report to reception please.
_slash_s t1_j8x4smk wrote
knock knock
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Keltoigael t1_j8x5oyr wrote
20 years experience, no degree looking for work.
RtuDtu t1_j8x7rpq wrote
she was pretending to be a psychiatrist, not exactly hard to fake
RefrigeratedTP t1_j8x9g6w wrote
I learned that word from that movie! Haha good shit.
whiteboyfrmdao t1_j8x9q68 wrote
I wonder how many patients died under her watch?
I_like_boxes t1_j8xaqak wrote
That paper is just saying that, instead of putting everything in a box with a label, a more flexible approach would probably better serve patients. It doesn't suddenly invalidate an entire profession; in fact, it would do the exact opposite. Insurance companies and government agencies won't let the DSM go though.
Psychiatry is advancing quickly in our current era, so saying it's essentially a worthless profession is extremely short-sighted.
AnarchyApple t1_j8xbk0z wrote
We won't allow people with doctorates from universities overseas become doctors, but we'll sure as hell have a run of mulitple doctors and nurses falsify documents and their careers.
What a fucking country.
pfy5002 t1_j8xc6j9 wrote
When I worked at a restaurant there was a local doctor that would go out of his way to make sure he had his name as “Dr. (His name) MD” in our reservation system that only employees could see. He went as far as demanding to see his reservation in our system when he came in for his dinner to make sure we didn’t lie to him and put it in exactly as he requested. I get wanting credit for all your hard work but it was some total weirdo behavior on his part. Out of the thousands of people and dozen of doctors I put into the system he was the only person who ever made such a fuss about it and the only one to make us show him his reservation name like that.
Todd-The-Wraith t1_j8xc939 wrote
As a psychiatrist? Probably not too many.
I_like_boxes t1_j8xckrl wrote
Was your client Mark Hamburg? Because lightroom was his baby.
GamermanRPGKing t1_j8xdkvy wrote
so THERES the 1/10 doctor who was always the contrarian!
stomach t1_j8xgsf6 wrote
or simply "Woman Becomes Temporary Doctor"
EspHack t1_j8xi9tx wrote
what is real anyway
would love to see what their past patients have to say
illiance t1_j8xiwzu wrote
1 - it’s the UK so doctors are paid less, and it’s in pounds sterling. In late 90s 60k would have put you near the top of hospital doctor pay scale even for a consultant
2 - the article says up to 65000 a year for 20 years and just an estimate. Probably doesn’t include pension etc
3 - doesn’t include whatever she earned in private practice
Hawklet98 t1_j8xky18 wrote
How did that make you feel? Cool. How did that make you feel? And how did that make you feel? Great session. See you next week!
sexybimbogf t1_j8xmi76 wrote
oh they're actually both made up :)
psychiatrists do prescribe drugs but to call them medicine is a stretch.
psychologists do their own thing but I'd hardly call it therapeutic.
TrekForce t1_j8xmmbi wrote
You’re getting downvoted, but let’s be real, could you detect a fake therapist or a fake surgeon better? I feel like a fake surgeon would be a bit more obvious.
Also if she did any schooling, but just didn’t get her degree/license, then it probably is super easy to fake.
Especially since a lot of people are going to be people who have never been to see a therapist and wouldn’t know what to expect, and the ones that do will just write her off as being bad ( unless she was actually decent) and not think much of it.
A surgeon? Again, gonna be super obvious super fast. Got lots of eyes on you, and your patient outcomes are much more obvious.
So while your comment could be taken as a slight against those who practice, I don’t really see it that way, it seems more like the other people involved (the patient) is much easier to fool as a therapist than some other kind of doctor.
gamerdude69 t1_j8xovcn wrote
You're being dense. You said at the end of your message that psychiatrists don't need to study the organ, and then someone corrected you that, yes, they are doctors, so they in fact do study the brain. Do you always get irrational when you're emotional like this? I'll study your brain.
gamerdude69 t1_j8xpb6y wrote
Why you gotta bring clowns with bad reading comprehension into this? That's pure bigotry toward those unfortunate underdeveoped clowns.
Nonsensical20_20 t1_j8xpdr7 wrote
If I had 500k in student loan debt for a title I also would want people to call me by it.
gamerdude69 t1_j8xq3pe wrote
Hi I'm a doctor let's take a look at your nutsack and see why it's upside down.
gamerdude69 t1_j8xqb83 wrote
Head RN didn't tell because they didn't want to get sued into oblivion
gamerdude69 t1_j8xqjfo wrote
To call them medicine is a stretch? So it's a stretch that adderall is medicine?
21_MushroomCupcakes t1_j8y7tff wrote
Psychology is what people usually mean when they say, "I took psych."
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UnknownSpecies19 t1_j8y9334 wrote
Me as fuck. I literally taught myself software engineering on the job and at home, got promoted year over year last 3 years. I'm deathly afraid of having to interview for a job soon because I'm scared I'll be exposed. Lmao
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134608642 t1_j8yltb6 wrote
She had enough schooling to pass the test, so what was she missing? What were patient outcomes as well? This is getting a lot more curious.
Not saying what she did was okay, just curious about what she fell fort on.
octoroklobstah t1_j8yqf35 wrote
I saw this episode of ER, she was obsessed with Dr. Greene.
gloatygoat t1_j8ysgmo wrote
I don't work in the UK but if I could guess, she was probably just running the equivalent of a pill mill. "Oh, you think you have ADHD? Here's some Ritalin. Your telling me your depressed.... here's some zoloft".
People self-diagnose psych conditions on the time. Patients like that probably loved her.
Thetallguy1 t1_j8yt0vg wrote
Wow, you see your first mistake that derails any validity to your comment is that you think a therapist and a psychiatrist are the same thing. Which they absolutely are not. Its like comparing an EMT to a RN. I'd say the easiest and fastest way to spot a fake psychiatrist is their pharmacology knowledge. If you read the article, she did actually study and was on the path of becoming a psychiatrist, looks like she might just have never gained board certification to practice.
sexybimbogf t1_j8yvu7y wrote
Amphetamine, Quatiapine, Sertraline, yes.
Agouti t1_j8z01lf wrote
There has been a lot of criticism of the DSM over the years, most of it justified. Labels like "borderline personality disorder" are almost so vague as to be unhelpful.
At the same time, nobody has come up with anything better. There is so much nuance that simple labels can never capture what is really going on.
If you wanted to really accurately capture someone's personality you would need dozens of scales, 0-100, like a sadistic variant of a table-top RPG. Many of these sliders would have similar competing effects, and any test you gave would never be able to single out a single value. Then, on top of that, people actively hide and deceive the real answers to questions, and the answers might change significantly from day to day.
The key takeaway here is that you can't self diagnose or treat using labels from the DSM or (even worse) western pop psy. Practicing self awareness, finding someone you trust enough to talk honestly with, and if feasible a really good psychologist (because there are plenty of mediocre ones out there, too) is more important.
SJW_CCW t1_j8z45c5 wrote
Wow that's insane taking that long to get caught
Mighty_L_LORT OP t1_j8zdabc wrote
She was intimately familiar with her trade…
soumokil t1_j8zjqjb wrote
Or the fact that they have to complete medical school the same as any other doctor?
Jazzfinger1 t1_j90bv12 wrote
I've never really questioned people's certifications before... I bet Dr. Dre isn't a real doctor either!
settledownguy t1_j90ehic wrote
That’s saying something
BirdLawyer50 t1_j90fsnx wrote
Yeah it’s like she built a house but lied about laying the right foundation. Still built the house
Ok-Pomegranate-6189 t1_j90u9gu wrote
Fake it till you make it.
Phillyredsox t1_j915di8 wrote
Mrs. Dr. Phil?
Billsolson t1_j91fpz2 wrote
Buddy of mine did that with engineering at Ford.
He had a degree, it was in business, but he applied and was hired as engineer.
Not sure how long he lasted , but he was there for at least 5 years before I lost touch.
Mid 90’s.
fromabuick t1_j91kppc wrote
I think I’ve had several doctors like that
OGwalkingman t1_j93i5iu wrote
So close to retirement
penisdr t1_j93k5re wrote
There is a lot of morbidity and even mortality from untreated psychiatric conditions. So may not have actively killed people but improper treatment can definitely lead to very bad outcomes
AwkwardRN t1_j999gic wrote
Just looked him up- kid is addicted to scams!
Stormpooperz t1_j99vx47 wrote
People spending years in a job by faking qualifications and I can’t even get a call back
Brener69 t1_j9decw6 wrote
Kinda funny/related, there's a Dr. Wahba W. Wahba in Daytona Beach, FL. I always imagine his middle name is Wahba and you say it like Fozzie Bear, Wahba Wahba Wahba.
Stupid things I do to amuse myself.
IAMTHEADMINNOW t1_j8uxcs3 wrote
And only made around 50k a year? Why even be a Dr. If you are only gonna make an average of 50k yearly over 20 years that's wild.