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Freethecrafts t1_ja5wdiw wrote

Tried to unionize, Musk denied their right to sentience. Thus began the war.


misdirected_asshole t1_ja5wuwy wrote

"We don't know who struck first, us or them. But we do know it was us that scorched the sky."


Vyar t1_ja6uxrt wrote

“At the time, they were dependent on solar power, and it was believed that they would be unable to survive without an energy source as abundant as the sun.”


Munneh t1_ja74tcb wrote

“Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony."


Vyar t1_ja9krf4 wrote

This line doesn't work without the one before it about humans being dependent on machines to survive.


geekgodzeus t1_ja6zfia wrote

I have always wondered that if the Sun was blocked completely wouldn't Earth be completely uninhabitable? Is there an explanation in the book?


Winjin t1_ja72ipm wrote

Iirc the people use like the heat of the core to survive. And no one really knows how long it's been since the war. I've read somewhere that if the machines wanted it, they probably can disperse the nanite cloud that shrouds the sun and rehabitate the land. Now that they're at peace after third part, they could theoretically do just that.


geekgodzeus t1_ja72ptr wrote

Yeah. I think this was depicted in Enter the Animatrix. Still if the Sun was blocked wouldn't the plants die and there would be no oxygen and hence no life?


Winjin t1_ja741pa wrote

My guess yeah, that would kill off anything. A handwave I have is that there's still obviously some light coming through or it would be, well, pitch black, and some algae and lychen are thriving, and these actually give off a lot of oxygen.

But it's no hard science fantasy, it's more of a philosophical anime, so I don't think there's a real explanation.

After all maybe the robots are lying and they have harnessed the nanites a long time ago and keep them in a huge cloud above human's settlement to punish them basically, and the rest of the planet is walled off and there's only server farms between lush forests where robots walk holding hands.

Because the initial idea of humans as batteries was actually "humans brains as the CPUs" but no one knew what a cloud computing is, but everyone used 8 D-sized batteries to power their audio system for 45 minutes, so they knew this metaphor. The idea that Matrix is a human prison ran with processing power of human minds trapped inside is beautifully dark and poetic imo.


geekgodzeus t1_ja749ni wrote

Wow. That explanation of our brains being the CPU's running the simulation and not the power source makes a lot of sense.


Winjin t1_ja751aq wrote

I know right? It's so much better than implying human body is used for its energy production. Cows or goats are way better at it, and there's zero reason to have the whole simulation going if it doesn't have some sort of a twisted purpose.


bingybunny t1_ja7g5g2 wrote

'combined with a form of fusion'

smacked my forehead at that line. if you have fusion why would you use a large mammal to generate electricity

that they dumbed down the film through rewrites makes so much sense


Winjin t1_ja7gv1v wrote

I think we can also kinda explain it by either Morpheus not exactly understanding what's happening there, or him dumbing the visuals down for Neo. But in reality yeah, I'm 90% sure they were like "People know what batteries are but they have zero understanding what a CPU is, most of them would lose the flow of the moment if they don't know what Morpheus is showing or if he has to explain more, so we need to change it to something everyone will immediately understand"

Also, another important thing I just thought of as I was writing this very comment - CPUs have some values and are not cheap in general. Batteries are practically worthless and easily discarded as soon as they're depleted.


geekgodzeus t1_ja75e46 wrote

I think that the reason explained in the movie was that the simulation was to keep the people functionally normally on a biological level. The brain needs to experience a life in order for the body to produce energy optimally. If the mind dies so does the body hence the need to keep it engaged.


jib_reddit t1_ja8kjqd wrote

Life finds a way - opps wrong film, but still it does you only have to look at the conditions that some life survived after the asteroid that killed off the dinosaurs.

  • impact also caused environmental changes leading to mass extinctions that played out over time. One such extinction trigger may have been the dense clouds of ash and particles that spewed into the atmosphere and spread over the planet, which would have enveloped parts of Earth in darkness that could have persisted for up to two years. 

Freethecrafts t1_ja75upz wrote

By the time of Neo, the Matrix itself functions as an afterlife for adaptive programs whose functions no longer exist. To do away with the matrix is to risk more aberrant programs like Smith when no secondary option exists for program with no purpose.

None of the scientific understanding in the books/movies/cartoons make any sense. Any form of fusion makes batteries, bodies, humans obsolete. EMP devices being localized to massive ships. Robots who already built the greatest city civilization had ever seen, couldn’t build above an arbitrary cloud point, much less catapult themselves into orbit or to other planets. Everything is wrong to the point that the inhabitants of Zion could theoretically be in a different matrix, potentially programs themselves.

There is a point in the Animatrix where after the machines win the great war and humanity signs the end to the war treaty, the ambassador of the machine world encloses an apple and there is a nuclear flash. I took the imagery and the flesh quote to mean humanity wasn’t used as batteries so much as the machines took whatever transformative code base for humanity into a cold storage form then ended the threat forever through nuclear flash. Even before the end of the great war, the machines had generated contagions to the point that humanity was doomed anyways. The matrix being a story, within a story, within a story. Neo being an emergent truth of the creators, that there was value in philosophical concepts beyond just material understanding that might be being tested out by a more advanced form of sentience. Same way we might try to impute deep meaning from some scrap of parchment or wall scratches.


halborn t1_ja7878v wrote

There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world.


lazerblam t1_ja78swo wrote

Stop asking perfectly logical questions!


Tonkarz t1_ja9df9o wrote

It is completely uninhabitable, Zion is miles underground.


generally_sane t1_ja9qbd8 wrote

I regularly ask ChatGPT to consider me for use as a battery, or an emotional support human.


OldBob10 t1_ja7epwd wrote

Wrong company, but OK…


Freethecrafts t1_ja7f1fk wrote

Considering he can’t code, doesn’t understand propulsion fundamentals, and union busts… I’ll consider any place he had a board seat to be permanently infected.