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RabidBeaverLake t1_j8uen66 wrote

I guess the ADA didn't apply here?

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vagfactory t1_j8x26tq wrote

not sure if that applies to every part of the building

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Imaginary-Voice1902 t1_j933mm7 wrote

It does.

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vagfactory t1_j93a4y4 wrote

I think it does here, but only because of there being a debate there. There are tons of places that don't have every area accessible. But I don't really know the law, so...

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[deleted] t1_j8uf3sc wrote

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MustLoveAllCats t1_j8vbhve wrote

The internet is great, it allows people to confidently post incorrect information like this, without any fear of consequences

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Pokemanic33 t1_j8vq0kg wrote

The best part is the random made up racism pulled out of thin air

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snakkeLitera t1_j8um5ga wrote

Historical buildings can be required to meet ramp standards if a non altering approach could be used. That stage is quite wide and not terribly long, there’s no reason they couldn’t use an l shaped detachable ramp that friction clamps to the interior stage. Here’s an example of one such modular system.

https://www.stagedrop.com/ramps/universal-stage-ramps

Or a free standing floor lift that can be flush to the stage without even requiring any damage to the building to attach so yes, the ada does still apply.

Here’s three different guides and companies that do historic accessibility.

Evaluation processes https://www.oldhouseweb.com/how-to-advice/making-historic-properties-accessible.shtml

Professional contractor specialist https://www.ezaccess.com/post/making-historical-buildings-accessible

A second professional contractor this time UK https://www.rapidramp.co.uk/heritage

I will give you this he didn’t check in advance based on the comment of the dance hall’s spokesperson however the ada clearly stated public facilities must have an accessibility plan and that would include stage access because the stage is part of the public facilities.

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colemon1991 t1_j8wx1rs wrote

I've seen ADA access be a temporary ramp that is stored elsewhere when not needed for stages like this. I can't see an excuse if that's an option.

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snakkeLitera t1_j8wxur2 wrote

Yep! The first link I inserted I believe has similar models in temp too. Temporary ramps have their limitations of course and the ability to use it is dependant in stage height but with the number of grants and funding options for ada compliance, not to mention srt grant options as that historic building is owned by a dance company there is no reason for this to not be accessible.

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ColoradoN8tive t1_j8xgyy9 wrote

Yeah I stand corrected on the historical requirements but I’ll admit being involved in the audio industry, most historic buildings don’t have access to their stages - most times the hallways and stairways to the stage don’t even meet current building codes (stairs and too tall and steep and narrow) - half the time equipment gets lifted onto stages from the front. Which is even hard for able bodied people.

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snakkeLitera t1_j8xi2zf wrote

Hey thanks for standing corrected it means an awful lot. I’m a wheelchair user and access professional and part of the reason I got into it was because I grew up around the audio visual industry funnily enough. My older bro was a tech, now an av engineer for some bigwig company that runs tours for people like imagine dragons and stuff. I have more fun watchin the techs run around at shows half the time lol. But seeing the creativity and struggle that folks went through for their gear was part of what got my “fucking a’ there’s gotta be a better way” gears turning and got me interested in my field. Access helps everyone and if the stages had ramps that were wheelchair grade it would suck less for crews.

Access is complex and every so often there are stages that just fuckin, won’t work and when they don’t you don’t host there. That one dedinetly could have and honestly I’d love to hear from the campaign if they called ahead. Because if I had a nickel for every place that told me they had ramps and then I showed up and they didn’t well, I could afford a team to carry around and lift my dang chair up for me!

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Smodphan t1_j8uxyfc wrote

He might not have thought it worth the time

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smashkraft t1_j8vjx77 wrote

When plan b is crawling in a suit while trying to impress millions of people?

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Smodphan t1_j8w844p wrote

Is he? Did his team film and post it?

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smashkraft t1_j8wyqwt wrote

Why do you believe this was a lie when (1) a crowd witnessed this, (2) the councilman is on camera talking about this, and (3) the theater management sent out a press release statement apologizing and acknowledging the deficit of the facility

Soft paywall:

https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/councilman-in-wheelchair-expresses-humiliation-following-mandatory-debate/

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Smodphan t1_j8wzd4m wrote

I was asking, not doubting. Everyone is extremely reactionary about it though

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PM_ME_SEXIST_OPINION t1_j8x66gj wrote

Funny, that. Cause your opinion that this was merely a political stunt is a thoroughly reactionary one.

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Mod_Accountability t1_j8wva1s wrote

More of that standard "minorities have all the unfair advantages" thinly veiled racism.

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orrocos t1_j8x2z86 wrote

>And I think they choose to not name the business and building because it’s minority owned.

What in the world are you talking about? The business is named multiple times in the article.

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