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Safety_Drance t1_j9063do wrote

>Once the foot was removed, Brown instructed staff to place it in a freezer to preserve it. Multiple witnesses said that Brown intended to taxidermy the foot “as a reminder to wear your boots,” which one nurse described as “weird.”

I have so many questions after reading this article. First and foremost, when is a nurse at a nursing home authorized to amputate limbs on their own?

Second, only one other nurse thought that was weird?

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Welpmart t1_j92i1v0 wrote

Also... HOW did she amputate it?

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Safety_Drance t1_j92jcpx wrote

That was my next question.

>Some of the witnesses said that the man did not appear to be in any pain during the amputation, and there was no blood loss as a result of the procedure. However, other witnesses said that the man “moaned” as the procedure was being performed. Another witness said that “it was not a very good amputation.”

What the fucking fuck?

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PlaguePA t1_j92kfms wrote

It was probably a diabetic foot that was completely necrotic due to diabetic vasculopathy and neuropathy. She probably wanted to use that foot as a macabre reminder that it is important to protect your feet as a diabetic to avoid ulcer, necrosis, etc. Still, she shouldn't of performed the "amputation" and she is messed up to even attempt something like this.

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cowvin t1_j93j89j wrote

No, it's in the article. His foot was already destroyed by frostbite:

> The man had been admitted to the nursing home in March after he had fallen in his home when the heat went out, and he suffered severe frostbite on both of his feet.

> Other nurses interviewed by investigators said that Brown removed the foot for “compassion and comfort” as the foot was necrotic, had begun to smell, and was barely still attached to the man’s body.

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Natganistan t1_j93east wrote

You don't wanna know

I read about this a couple months ago and it's so fucked

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censorized t1_j9cefb5 wrote

From what I've read it was only attached by a small tendon and strip of skin. She probably just snipped it off with scissors.

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Psychomadeye t1_j9358gt wrote

For the second one, nurses often have a dark sense of humor. It develops when your job includes watching people die.

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reikipackaging t1_j9002fp wrote

all of these other people were witness to this, in some capacity, and didn't bother to say anything to any authority? is willy nilly amputation such a common thing that the worst anyone thought was that it was "weird"?

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thecowintheroom t1_j909f2p wrote

Maybe they saw a lot of fucked up shot with the pandemic and they’re kinda burned out or something

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DeepStateofAffairs t1_j93lr5t wrote

My wife's a nurse, I'm friends with a lot of nurses, I have a lot of nurses in my family, even the most burnt out nurse isn't just idly watching by with this kind of shit. You have to have a level of no-fucks-given that's not granted by burnout to just idly watch this happen.

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bigmilker OP t1_j8zvzvk wrote

“Brown intended to taxidermy the foot “as a reminder to wear your boots,” which one nurse described as “weird.”

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OneLongjumping4022 t1_j8zxcf2 wrote

Yes I did do it! I plead not guilty,!

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jnmjnmjnm t1_j8zyuoj wrote

Guilt is based on criminal action and intent. I am not sure about the criminal charges, but it would definitely be professional misconduct - that would be a surgeon’s job, not a nurse’s. (IANAL or D)

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reikipackaging t1_j901cdb wrote

removing someone's body part without their (or their guardian's) consent is very much a criminal act with intent. I wouldn't argue whether the foot should come off, but this is some serial killer business, even if she did it for /good/ reason.

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PigSlam t1_j92eba8 wrote

Did you see the details of what she removed? Calling it a foot, or even “attached” at this point is a bit of a stretch. Not saying it’s right, but it’s definitely in some sort of moral grey area. Definitely gets weirder after that with the idea of keeping it, though that might be misunderstood gallows humor.

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jnmjnmjnm t1_j901o0i wrote

There is “assumed consent” if a patient cannot communicate. There is also likely a general consent signed at admission giving the facility staff discretion.

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reikipackaging t1_j902mee wrote

yeah, no. the waivers are going to cover consent to things like washing and ensuring nutrition... restraints for the patients safety... impromptu surgery in the patients room by a nurse is so far out of the parameters of standard practice that I'm baffled anyone would see this as a reasonable measure.

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jnmjnmjnm t1_j902vb8 wrote

It will be an interesting case for the jury to consider! My point was that one can admit to an action and still plead “not guilty”.

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frisbeesloth t1_j90doql wrote

Maybe if this was at a hospital....but this happened at a nursing home!

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jnmjnmjnm t1_j90inom wrote

They have these types of general consent as well. This is not a slam-dunk case, especially in a jury trial.

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notapolita t1_j90ef1j wrote

You don't need a criminal intent to be guilty. You can be just so irresponsible and stupid that you cause someone harm without any intent at all.

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jnmjnmjnm t1_j90ik0l wrote

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea

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Law_Student t1_j9243nw wrote

You might be misunderstanding just how limited the mes rea requirement is. All that's necessary is intent to engage in the criminal act, not the intent to knowingly commit a crime. That's what the jury instructions will say, too.

So unless she can argue that she somehow didn't mean to cut off the foot and it just happened by accident, mes rea is met here. Yes, it's a very low hurdle. People can commit crimes even if they don't believe what they're doing is a crime, and they can be punished for it.

And mens rea isn't even necessary in many situations where someone has a special duty of care for a specific person. Here, a medical professional may well have a sufficiently elevated duty of care for a patient that even a failure to act could give rise to criminal liability.

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jnmjnmjnm t1_j92827j wrote

I understand. You must know that the few paragraphs published in the media are not either side’s case. :)

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Law_Student t1_j928vzf wrote

I don't understand your point. Are you saying mes rea is or is not met?

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jnmjnmjnm t1_j929ogd wrote

I don’t have the evidence. That is my point. There are many things which could sway a jury.

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notapolita t1_j90ixcf wrote

This does not say that you cannot be considered guilty unless you had criminal intent.

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jnmjnmjnm t1_j90jzfl wrote

No, but it will likely be part of her defense. A sympathetic jury will give it consideration.

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SailboatAB t1_j91pln6 wrote

98 years in prison? Why is this act many times worse than trying to overthrow the lawfully elected government?

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Cpl_Locklear t1_j93ib0f wrote

Rest bro. It's been 2 years. It's over, people are in jail, and the government wasn't overthrown. You can move on buddy. It's ok. Rest.

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SailboatAB t1_j93nt08 wrote

Yeah, complacency helped the Weimar Republic fend off its own Nazi takeover. Unfortunately for you guys, we're watching.

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Jazzfinger1 t1_j907mi0 wrote

Strange things are afoot at that nursing home

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widdrjb t1_j90rez3 wrote

My wife is a nurse in end of life care. I've just shown her this. Her opinion is that this woman is either insane, or that American nursing is in a very bad way.

I'd go with the latter. She's turned up to court neatly dressed, apparently alert, has understood the charges and entered a plea.

I would assume that the home owners had a policy forbidding staff to call a doctor because of the cost. Instead, the nursing staff probably carried out diagnosis, prescribing and minor procedures themselves. This was a necrotic limb, but the elderly regularly lose toes due to poor circulation. Frequently nurses will tidy up, log it and tell the doctor later. At this point, life expectancy is measured in days, and full surgery is lethal.

Basically, this wasn't a completely anomalous event, but the extreme end of a spectrum. She should do time for it, but so should the people who set the initial conditions.

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jimi15 t1_j9106m9 wrote

Reminds me of that classical medical dilema. An unconscious person is trapped underneath some rubble and the only way to free him is by amputating his leg. Unless its done now he will die from Hypoxia/Hypothermia/whatever the narrative requires.

Would you do it? Is doing it ethical?

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Rosebunse t1_j91d2o2 wrote

But she wasn't doing it to save him and it just caused him horrible pain. She just wanted a foot.

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jimi15 t1_j91k8ng wrote

Just said that it reminded me. Not that it was comparable.

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hujan82 t1_j93qm2q wrote

She’s 38? Oh my

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MetalMarthaStewart t1_j920ynu wrote

I am a nurse who works in med surg at a hospital. I would never even consider this. I have seen all kinds of wounds that I personally would go another direction with treatment, but it is not my scope to decide. Perhaps the person needs to be medically stable to have a surgery. Perhaps the person themselves refused treatment for whatever reason.

FIRST OFF If anything I would contact every doctor or person in this man's care team and pester them that he needed this done, document that I contacted them and if they refused or not, etc. At most.

SECOND OF ALL if I read this correctly, it seems more than one nurse either watched this or knew it was happening and no one but like one nurse said anything?! I don't give a fuck how good of friends we are honey, I'm not risking my license and l am not risking legal action to cover up anything for you. I'm not going to willingly allow you to hurt someone. I'm going to physically stop you in the act, and still report your ass.

THIRD I don't care what this lady wanted to do, it DID NOT allow this man to die with dignity because now he is a "weird' news story, was assaulted and disfigured before his death.

I hope they give her the full time in prison. She absolutely used her position to make a judgement call that was inappropriate and took advantage of a vulnerable person unable to give consent or make decisions for themselves.

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Power0_ t1_j90omxb wrote

To do permanent bodily harm to a person trusted to your care is just horrendous. Imagine yourself lying there helpless when the would be taxidermist comes to treat you.

And what is this talk about remembering to wear your boots. Did they neglect the patient to cause the limb to be injured in the first place. Planning to govern the rest put in their care via fear brandishing a severed limb like a trophy of their power over them.

This is all kinds of messed up.

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jeekiii t1_j90qv5s wrote

The dude was going to die regardless and his feet were absolutely 100% dead.

Not to say she is innocent, she is not, but she didn't just wake up some day and cut a healthy person's leg

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Crizbibble t1_j90wvyg wrote

So you don’t believe that people who are disabled or incapacitated have an absolute right to dictate what happens to their body parts or to be treated within the established guidelines of the medical profession? The minute she cut off those limbs she was going against what her job was and what she is insured for and authorized to do. She knew this too but did it anyways because she felt entitled to someone else’s body parts to stuff and display for her gratification.

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jeekiii t1_j90wzsm wrote

Stop making inferences about what I think. I hold none of the opinions you attribute to me, it looks like the lady is a psycho from what I see

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Crizbibble t1_j90xm9e wrote

You dismissed the victim and what was done to them like it was no big deal. I found no empathy or sympathy in what you said so I figured you thought it was ok.

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smashkraft t1_j92fsaz wrote

>one count of mayhem

This bitch is metal

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Neat_Library7540 t1_j93s97h wrote

Since WHEN does ANY nurse have the AUTHORITY or LICENSE to PERFORM AMPUTATIONS.

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Errenti t1_j8zybdp wrote

My guess is that mental illness is a factor. Extra bad.

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Ray_Pingeau t1_j90ajlc wrote

I’ve known people with foot fetishes, but this is ridiculous.

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bulletbassman t1_j90slm2 wrote

Lol

Prosecutors must be real desperate. Not saying the lady was in the right but I don’t think jail time makes any sense here

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Errayde t1_j8zxyua wrote

Rose.... stop posting these horrible stories because I keep coming up with jokes automatically and it’s not funny. But you nailed it with this one. I’m pedicurious as to WHY?!?!

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freemason777 t1_j9013rc wrote

She got off on the wrong foot. The accuser doesn't have a leg to stand on, and he still owes an arm to the hospital

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