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Flash_ina_pan t1_jedmlvb wrote

Reply to comment by Jthundercleese in Portland man laughed ‘maniacally’ while chasing pedestrian in stolen $80k forklift, police say by Jorgyjorg32

That's an OSHA violation

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Jthundercleese t1_jedn09t wrote

Keys stored on the lift/ignition?

Odd I never heard of it. I drove lifts for 4 different companies and never was told that.

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Flash_ina_pan t1_jedns5c wrote

It's more about preventing unauthorized use, it ties into

1917.43(b)(3) When a powered industrial truck is left unattended, load-engaging means shall be fully lowered, controls neutralized and brakes set. Unless the truck is in view and within 25 feet (7.62 m) of the operator, power shall be shut off. Wheels shall be blocked or curbed if the truck is on an incline.

This is what I have seen cited

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Jthundercleese t1_jeekf69 wrote

Oh well that doesn't say anything about where the keys are left.

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TwentySevenNihilists t1_jeexuya wrote

"controls neutralized" is the part that addresses the keys being taken out, or some measure taken to ensure that some random idiot can't drive off in your telehandler.

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Jthundercleese t1_jefwbcr wrote

I think that's tough to argue. In a forklift controls are always "neutralized". Lift, tilt, shift, etc all put themselves into neutral when you're not using them. And an ignition key in the off position, hard to argue that's not neutral. That's semantics that I think really wouldn't hold up.

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TwentySevenNihilists t1_jefxcth wrote

I could certainly see it argued either way. I guess it would come down to how much time and money you have to argue with OSHA if they decide that it includes the keys.

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Jthundercleese t1_jefykfu wrote

I would definitely argue with someone from OSHA over it. When a car's controls are in neutral, no one ever assumes that means the key is not in the ignition or specifically not in the car whatsoever. I would definitely cite my 8 years of driving lifts and dozen times talking to OSHA where it was no a problem. If they want keys stored when machines aren't in use, that's got to be written specifically.

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Hip_Hop_Hippos t1_jeeuh6d wrote

I wonder if that’s purposeful because some of them don’t have keys.

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Whako4 t1_jeel350 wrote

Weird In the car industry if you have cars in the garage you have to keep the keys with them

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XKeyscore666 t1_jef9028 wrote

Yeah, when it gets turned off/on 50+ times a day it seems a little silly to pull the key every time.

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