Flash_ina_pan t1_jedns5c wrote on March 31, 2023 at 7:00 AM

Reply to comment by Jthundercleese in Portland man laughed ‘maniacally’ while chasing pedestrian in stolen $80k forklift, police say by Jorgyjorg32

It's more about preventing unauthorized use, it ties into

1917.43(b)(3) When a powered industrial truck is left unattended, load-engaging means shall be fully lowered, controls neutralized and brakes set. Unless the truck is in view and within 25 feet (7.62 m) of the operator, power shall be shut off. Wheels shall be blocked or curbed if the truck is on an incline.

This is what I have seen cited

Jthundercleese t1_jeekf69 wrote on March 31, 2023 at 1:22 PM

Oh well that doesn't say anything about where the keys are left.

TwentySevenNihilists t1_jeexuya wrote on March 31, 2023 at 2:56 PM

"controls neutralized" is the part that addresses the keys being taken out, or some measure taken to ensure that some random idiot can't drive off in your telehandler.

Jthundercleese t1_jefwbcr wrote on March 31, 2023 at 6:41 PM

I think that's tough to argue. In a forklift controls are always "neutralized". Lift, tilt, shift, etc all put themselves into neutral when you're not using them. And an ignition key in the off position, hard to argue that's not neutral. That's semantics that I think really wouldn't hold up.

TwentySevenNihilists t1_jefxcth wrote on March 31, 2023 at 6:48 PM

I could certainly see it argued either way. I guess it would come down to how much time and money you have to argue with OSHA if they decide that it includes the keys.

Jthundercleese t1_jefykfu wrote on March 31, 2023 at 6:56 PM

I would definitely argue with someone from OSHA over it. When a car's controls are in neutral, no one ever assumes that means the key is not in the ignition or specifically not in the car whatsoever. I would definitely cite my 8 years of driving lifts and dozen times talking to OSHA where it was no a problem. If they want keys stored when machines aren't in use, that's got to be written specifically.

Hip_Hop_Hippos t1_jeeuh6d wrote on March 31, 2023 at 2:34 PM

I wonder if that’s purposeful because some of them don’t have keys.

Whako4 t1_jeel350 wrote on March 31, 2023 at 1:27 PM

Weird In the car industry if you have cars in the garage you have to keep the keys with them