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JiminyDickish t1_jbht1wf wrote

Reply to comment by InternetPeon in City of Toronto puts up sign limiting barking at dog park, removes it following public scrutiny by nimobo

I know this comment is in jest, but seriously, if a dog is barking "excessively," as this sign specifically states, that is the owner's responsibility and should be regulated.

No resident should be subjected to excessive noise of any kind. We all love dogs, they're great, but there should be some social cohesion around a dog park to make living there tolerable. An excessively barking dog can be an extremely stressful noise to have to endure all day long.

And something tells me that the residences existed before the dog park. Imagine if an outdoor kennel opened up shop in your backyard one day. That's a living hell.

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NoMoreProphets t1_jbig73g wrote

The problem is that "excessive" barking doesn't make sense. Dogs bark a lot already even when you aren't at the dog park. Are you supposed to yell at your dog for barking while you play fetch? Even well trained dogs bark while they wait for you to throw the ball. It's also not like dog parks are known for constant midnight dog parties. It's not like your kennel example where the dogs have to live there 24/7.

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JiminyDickish t1_jbiihlr wrote

> Excessive barking doesn’t make sense

The grey area is very small. Use common sense. Canadian courts have previously defined it as at least ten minutes of uninterrupted barking. That sounds reasonable.

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washington_jefferson t1_jbno84p wrote

I think the issue is if you have new dogs showing up every five minutes, and they are each allotted 10 minutes of barking, then there will always be barking- just from different dogs. That’s why the sign’s intentions are not realistic. Either have a dog park or not. Let the dog people deal with problem dogs in the park- they don’t want that dog causing problems either.

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annomandaris t1_jbkory8 wrote

As someone who goes to the dog park 4-5x a week, there is a big difference between barking and excessive barking.

There are definitely dog who will bark continuously for hours. They shouldn’t be at a dog park, this makes other dogs more aggressive too, to have a dog follow you arriving barking in your face isn’t pleasant for anyone.

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Nadaplanet t1_jbm7sxv wrote

>There are definitely dog who will bark continuously for hours.

Oh you must live in my neighborhood. Someone within a several block radius of me has a dog that barks constantly. They let it out around 6 am and let it back inside around 9 pm. I am not exaggerating when I say it barks the entire time it's outside. I've walked my dog around trying to find the source, but I've never been able to pin down an exact address to try and talk to the owners.

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right_there t1_jbipoa9 wrote

My dog barks maybe once a week when he's startled by a noise outside. It's one, short bark and that's it. My previous dog almost never barked.

Excessive barking doesn't have to be normal. My dog communicates with me in other ways just fine.

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Myhairison_fire t1_jbiowdm wrote

It's can be auch a nightmare having a neighbor with a dog that barks all day and all night. I love dogs, but dislike a lot of dog owners. I have trained homeless dogs to be well behaved, so there is no excuse for lazy dog owners who don't train their 'babies'.

Just make training obligatory and have the dogs and owners pass a socially acceptable behavior test. If they fail fine owners and force more training. Great way to solve noisy fighting dogs problems and make extra tax money.

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krectus t1_jbhv82e wrote

Yeah really should have put the word “excessive” in the first sentence.

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NerdHunt t1_jbiokpt wrote

Maybe don’t live next to a dog park if you don’t want to hear barking? 🤷‍♀️

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JiminyDickish t1_jbjlrpm wrote

What if you lived there before the dog park?

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NerdHunt t1_jbu5gpl wrote

Then there would have been something you had to sign for the installment of such thing, and if there isn’t and the park is now driving the value of your property down due to the new disturbance, you have a lawsuit in your hands.

Realistically what happens is someone moves next to a school or a dog park and never try to go down there to the house in the rush-hour see what it will be like living there, and when they do get down there after they bought the house they become sorely dissapointed.

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JiminyDickish t1_jbu6fsl wrote

>Then there would have been something you had to sign

Nope. Not how it works. City council holds public hearings and then decides. You can voice your opinion at the meeting but if they still go forward with it then there’s nothing you can do.

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SuteSnute t1_jbk0mr8 wrote

Then don't live in a major city where there's tons of noise from other things as well. Are all the Reddit commenters in this thread who think they are making clever arguments and retorts from Hicksville, Bumfuckstate?

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JiminyDickish t1_jbk1w6b wrote

I live in the city. Dogs barking is the most intrusive, loud sound I hear by far. I can hear my neighbor's dogs even with the door and windows closed and noise-cancelling headphones on. And it goes on all day, because the dogs don't go anywhere. Cars passing, construction even, are all temporary. When you have a neighbor with barking dogs, or a dog park nearby, it's every fucking day and it's absolute torture. No other sound even begins to compare.

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SuteSnute t1_jbk033b wrote

These residents live in a city. There's tons of sounds which are far more grating and loud. This is mentioned in the article even. They can deal with the barking. It's a crock of shit and you're playing weird devil's advocacy nonsense to get around it. Let the cops start actually writing tickets to asshole drivers that lean on their horns for everything. They won't. But until then, this is straight up idiocy. I have to assume anyone who's seriously supporting this joke either lives in the suburbs/boonies and doesn't understand what living in a city means, or just don't like dogs and are trying to window dress it

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JiminyDickish t1_jbk1lis wrote

>There's tons of sounds which are far more grating and loud.

I live in the city. Dogs barking are the loudest and most intrusive sound I hear, by a country mile. I hear my neighbors dogs even with all the doors and windows closed and noise-cancelling earphones on. And it goes on all day because the dogs don't go anywhere. No other sound even begins to compare.

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SuteSnute t1_jbk1z0g wrote

There's a difference between a dog barking all day and night in the yard by your window, and dogs doing what dogs do in a space meant for them, and which has hours of operation.

Nobody here is arguing your neighbor's dog should be allowed to bark non stop in the yard without the owner being confronted about it. This is a specific context. Don't move the goal post.

I also used to hear kids screaming and shrieking all day when I lived next to a park. Nobody ever seems to whine about that one either. And I personally find that far more annoying. But that's what living in a city is about. Dealing with other people

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JiminyDickish t1_jbk3faz wrote

>There's a difference between a dog barking all day and night

Never said all night. I said all day. Exactly the same as a dog park. You're the one moving things around.

>But that's what living in a city is about. Dealing with other people

Agreed, which includes limiting how much your dogs bark.

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Infindox t1_jbk7b1o wrote

Dogs barking in a park during the day (which they are going to do because they are playing) is the same as kids playing on a playground: they are allowed to make as much noise at they want. That's what it's there for. If you're arguing about it because it was put in place there after someone lived there... Well that can apply to anything. A daycare, a business, a playground. Construction sounds, normal business from adults, kids in general, are all sounds that in excess can be annoying.

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