Yeah, the dogs can’t read the sign.

Maybe not yours.

Some people will just _not_take responsibility and train their dogs.

LMAO, the city of Toronto putting up a sign to limit barking at a dog park? 🤣 That's some next level pettiness right there. I mean, it's a dog park for crying out loud, what do they expect? Silent pooches? 🐶

The only time I've been in a dog park and there wasn't ANY barking was with about 130 greyhounds and their owners. I've lived in places that had limits on dogs barking, including one that defined "excessive" as more than 45 minutes continuously.

The sign specifically refers to "excessive" barking and to please be respectful, it does not say anything about keeping your dog silent.

As someone who has had to live next to *excessively* barking dogs, this sign is totally reasonable and I think it's a shame it was taken down.

I know this comment is in jest, but seriously, if a dog is barking "excessively," as this sign specifically states, that is the owner's responsibility and should be regulated.

No resident should be subjected to excessive noise of any kind. We all love dogs, they're great, but there should be some social cohesion around a dog park to make living there tolerable. An excessively barking dog can be an extremely stressful noise to have to endure all day long.

And something tells me that the residences existed before the dog park. Imagine if an outdoor kennel opened up shop in your backyard one day. That's a living hell.

Yeah really should have put the word “excessive” in the first sentence.

It does actually. “Do not allow your dog to bark and disturb the neighborhood”

And what does the next sentence say?

Let's take the sign in its totality, the way it was meant to be read, and not engage our selective outrage at a single sentence taken out of context. Do you honestly believe that sign is saying owners are in violation if their dog barks a single time?

I don’t believe that no. It still however says keep your dog silent. Ain’t nobody outraged, and your using selective outrage wrong

It says do not do x. y will not be tolerated.

>It still however says keep your dog silent.

It literally does not.

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>Ain’t nobody outraged

The entire article is about people who are.

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>It says do not do x. y will not be tolerated.

x = let your dog bark and disturb the neighborhood (aka, bark excessively)

y = barking excessively

“Do not allow your dog to bark and disturb the neighborhood” means keep your dog silent

Some dogs are assholes and shouldn’t be allowed to disturb other dogs.

Not in the English language, no.

If it were "bark OR disturb the neighborhood," then yes.

But because it's "Do not let your dog bark AND [therefore] disturb the neighborhood," a dog must bark to the point that it disturbs the neighborhood, thus satisfying the conjunction.

A single bark or handful of barks does not constitute a disturbance, therefore the sign does not prohibit it.

What constitutes a disturbance is open to interpretation, but it's pretty obvious that it would be more than just a few barks here and there.

One might even use the word excessive to define it. Like this sign literally did.

A single bark absolutely can disturb the neighborhood. Thus your dog can’t bark.

I didn’t say it prohibits it. I said it says keep your dog silent

The sign did both, it said no barking. And excessive barking is prohibited

And yes in the English language

>A single bark absolutely can disturb the neighborhood.

Toronto noise ordinances state that the barking must be "persistent," so literally, no, you're 100% wrong. Will you admit it though? Can't wait to find out

Canada: Barking for more than 10 minutes constitutes excessive noise

Notice how disturbed wasn’t in your rebuttal? That’s cause your confused. I specifically said disturb because we’re talking about disturb, what you just did is a strawman.

So while it’s possible I’m wrong ( I’m not) this comment does not have anything to do with what I just said

I’ve been disturbed by the roofers working on my apartments roof, that doesn’t mean it’s illegal

Don't dogs get sore vocal cords from barking anyway?

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The problem is that "excessive" barking doesn't make sense. Dogs bark a lot already even when you aren't at the dog park. Are you supposed to yell at your dog for barking while you play fetch? Even well trained dogs bark while they wait for you to throw the ball. It's also not like dog parks are known for constant midnight dog parties. It's not like your kennel example where the dogs have to live there 24/7.

> Excessive barking doesn’t make sense

The grey area is very small. Use common sense. Canadian courts have previously defined it as at least ten minutes of uninterrupted barking. That sounds reasonable.

Limit 7 barks per hour per dog.

Rich people need to stop talking completely. It is obviously way too early to atart the hunger games stuff. We still got guns and everything..

I have a better idea, lets ban dogs entirely.

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A French bulldog named R2-D2??? That's the best thing I'll see all day.

Maybe don’t live next to a dog park if you don’t want to hear barking? 🤷‍♀️

It's can be auch a nightmare having a neighbor with a dog that barks all day and all night. I love dogs, but dislike a lot of dog owners. I have trained homeless dogs to be well behaved, so there is no excuse for lazy dog owners who don't train their 'babies'.

Just make training obligatory and have the dogs and owners pass a socially acceptable behavior test. If they fail fine owners and force more training. Great way to solve noisy fighting dogs problems and make extra tax money.

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My dog barks maybe once a week when he's startled by a noise outside. It's one, short bark and that's it. My previous dog almost never barked.

Excessive barking doesn't have to be normal. My dog communicates with me in other ways just fine.

Some people don't even see barking as a problem. It's not hard to google how to train them. But some won't bother.

What if you lived there before the dog park?

These residents live in a city. There's tons of sounds which are far more grating and loud. This is mentioned in the article even. They can deal with the barking. It's a crock of shit and you're playing weird devil's advocacy nonsense to get around it. Let the cops start actually writing tickets to asshole drivers that lean on their horns for everything. They won't. But until then, this is straight up idiocy. I have to assume anyone who's seriously supporting this joke either lives in the suburbs/boonies and doesn't understand what living in a city means, or just don't like dogs and are trying to window dress it

Then don't live in a major city where there's tons of noise from other things as well. Are all the Reddit commenters in this thread who think they are making clever arguments and retorts from Hicksville, Bumfuckstate?

>There's tons of sounds which are far more grating and loud.

I live in the city. Dogs barking are the loudest and most intrusive sound I hear, by a country mile. I hear my neighbors dogs even with all the doors and windows closed and noise-cancelling earphones on. And it goes on all day because the dogs don't go anywhere. No other sound even begins to compare.

I live in the city. Dogs barking is the most intrusive, loud sound I hear by far. I can hear my neighbor's dogs even with the door and windows closed and noise-cancelling headphones on. And it goes on all day, because the dogs don't go anywhere. Cars passing, construction even, are all temporary. When you have a neighbor with barking dogs, or a dog park nearby, it's every fucking day and it's absolute torture. No other sound even begins to compare.

There's a difference between a dog barking all day and night in the yard by your window, and dogs doing what dogs do in a space meant for them, and which has hours of operation.

Nobody here is arguing your neighbor's dog should be allowed to bark non stop in the yard without the owner being confronted about it. This is a specific context. Don't move the goal post.

I also used to hear kids screaming and shrieking all day when I lived next to a park. Nobody ever seems to whine about that one either. And I personally find that far more annoying. But that's what living in a city is about. Dealing with other people

>There's a difference between a dog barking all day and night

Never said all night. I said all day. Exactly the same as a dog park. You're the one moving things around.

>But that's what living in a city is about. Dealing with other people

Agreed, which includes limiting how much your dogs bark.

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Dogs barking in a park during the day (which they are going to do because they are playing) is the same as kids playing on a playground: they are allowed to make as much noise at they want. That's what it's there for. If you're arguing about it because it was put in place there after someone lived there... Well that can apply to anything. A daycare, a business, a playground. Construction sounds, normal business from adults, kids in general, are all sounds that in excess can be annoying.

Canada: Dogs Barking for More Than 10 Minutes Constitute a Nuisance

You are not excused to make as much noise as you want with a noisemaker just because you own one.

As someone who goes to the dog park 4-5x a week, there is a big difference between barking and excessive barking.

There are definitely dog who will bark continuously for hours. They shouldn’t be at a dog park, this makes other dogs more aggressive too, to have a dog follow you arriving barking in your face isn’t pleasant for anyone.

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>There are definitely dog who will bark continuously for hours.

Oh you must live in my neighborhood. Someone within a several block radius of me has a dog that barks constantly. They let it out around 6 am and let it back inside around 9 pm. I am not exaggerating when I say it barks the entire time it's outside. I've walked my dog around trying to find the source, but I've never been able to pin down an exact address to try and talk to the owners.

I think the issue is if you have new dogs showing up every five minutes, and they are each allotted 10 minutes of barking, then there will always be barking- just from different dogs. That’s why the sign’s intentions are not realistic. Either have a dog park or not. Let the dog people deal with problem dogs in the park- they don’t want that dog causing problems either.

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Then there would have been something you had to sign for the installment of such thing, and if there isn’t and the park is now driving the value of your property down due to the new disturbance, you have a lawsuit in your hands.

Realistically what happens is someone moves next to a school or a dog park and never try to go down there to the house in the rush-hour see what it will be like living there, and when they do get down there after they bought the house they become sorely dissapointed.

>Then there would have been something you had to sign

Nope. Not how it works. City council holds public hearings and then decides. You can voice your opinion at the meeting but if they still go forward with it then there’s nothing you can do.

people dont know that some quirks people have might cause them to have a panic attack over the sound of dog barking