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blondechinesehair t1_jef8wmg wrote
I’m gonna file this under “don’t kill 58 people regardless”
[deleted] t1_jefbjr3 wrote
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Timbershoe t1_jefmf72 wrote
That the FBI don’t really release simple soundbites of complex physiological profiles, and reporters like reductive clickbait headlines?
Numerous_Vegetable_3 t1_jegh64m wrote
Absolutely no idea but the lack of apparent motive & constant changing of the story + restricted access to the people who were involved doesn't help.
Coming out with this absolute bullshit motive doesn't help. The shooter was researching rooms above large concerts for months before Vegas, he even booked a room above lolapalooza in Chicago and didn't check in. He was planning this for a while and researching sites that had nothing to do with casinos or gambling.
This shooting is one of the strangest ones. I don't think anybody has a good idea of the truth, but I think we can all agree that we don't have it yet.
DJSugarSnatch t1_jefbadb wrote
What a crock of shit. It definitely wasn't that. People don't spend 3 days prepping/buying ammo and sneaking in guns to a hotel room to just open fire on a concert because they didn't get a penthouse...
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I'm just gonna file this one under B...for bullshit.
eflowb t1_jefc8nn wrote
After 6 years this was the best fake motive they could come up with to hide the true motive I guess.
DJSugarSnatch t1_jefeywf wrote
They did the same thing here in Virginia beach when a city employee went on a shooting rampage and killed a bunch of co-workers. They said they didn't know why he did it, even tho they really did and didn't want to admit they were racist and took away his pension.
These guys wrote a manifesto... but hey, let's not mention any of that.
Sad_Butterscotch9057 t1_jegbivn wrote
Manifesto: if you want it published, send it to lots of domestic and foreign media, both.
Numerous_Vegetable_3 t1_jegg8ab wrote
This one gets to me. I do not support conspiratorial thinking, but this one irks me after all this time.
From the Wikipedia article "He had researched large-scale venues in cities such as Boston since at least May 2017,[10] and had reserved a room overlooking the August 2017 Lollapalooza festival in Chicago, but did not use it.[11]"
So... he was researching large concerts months before the shooting, in places that have nothing to do with casinos...
Whatever the real story is with this shooting, we don't have it.
"A report published by the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit in January 2019 said that "there was no single or clear motivating factor" for the shooting.[77]"
The Behavioral Analysis Unit is serious business and if anyone could find a motive it would be them.
Some background (from the little we have) on the shooter is strange "He was a son of Benjamin Paddock, a bank robber who was on the FBI's most-wanted list between 1969 and 1977.[92]"
And the weirdest thing to me: "Investigators found hidden surveillance cameras that were placed inside and outside the hotel room, presumably so Paddock could monitor the arrival of others.[67] The cameras were not in record mode.[68] Police said a handwritten note found in the room indicated Paddock had been calculating the distance, wind, and trajectory from his 32nd floor hotel suite to the concertgoers he was targeting on the festival lot.
So some dude, who was pictured at a womens march in a vagina hat, is setting up monitoring devices, calculating wind & trajectory to perpetrate this... for what? If he had a manifesto, we haven't seen it. We've seen more footage from the shooting 2 days ago.
Gh0stMan0nThird t1_jegs0v0 wrote
Chris Rock: "Whatever happened to 'crazy'?"
ReginaldSP t1_jeep8bt wrote
oh, so we should ban casinos. THAT'S the real problem.
captHij t1_jeesmjc wrote
Remember, people do not kill casinos.... oh wait, except for Donald Trump. He kills casinos.
ReginaldSP t1_jeeuwsm wrote
It takes a truly exceptional idiot to bankrupt a casino. Dude is really something special.
Invisible_Xer t1_jefqiwj wrote
To be fair, he can ruin pretty much anything he touches.
Mobely t1_jef1ope wrote
i mean, in addition to guns.
ReginaldSP t1_jef2nea wrote
IMPOSSIBLE!!!!
On a totally unrelated subject - I'm sure it's completely inapplicable - I tried to build a house recently without a hammer and nails and boy, I have to say, it was WAY harder and took way, way longer. It wasn't impossible, but it sure was difficult.
Mobely t1_jef3xj3 wrote
?
ReginaldSP t1_jefakyw wrote
It's a metaphor.
jinladen040 t1_jefe5hf wrote
Because strict firearm laws have really helped out California, Chicago, New Jersey..... Oh wait, Firearm Violence remains on par with the national average.
Gh0stMan0nThird t1_jegseho wrote
I think the real cause is unbridled capitalism, lack of Healthcare and education, and genuine feelings of hopelessness and alienation.
wascilly_wabbit t1_jee7l1l wrote
Isn't this great that SIX years later we finally have answers. Or at least speculations. Hopefully we can use this information to prevent similar things in the future /s
captHij t1_jeeowe9 wrote
The dude was not trans so we had to have a six year waiting period to mourn before using the situation for political advantage.
/s
YourUncleBuck OP t1_jee0oj6 wrote
>A fellow gambler told the FBI that "Paddock was very upset at the way casinos were treating him and other high rollers," noting that roughly three years earlier casinos had started banning high rollers from certain events, hotels and even casinos.
>The gambler described Paddock as a high roller with a bankroll of approximately $2 million to $3 million who preferred playing video poker. The report states that the acquaintance believed the stress about how high rollers were being treated could "easily be what caused Paddock to 'snap.'"
>The Mandalay Bay hotel, Paddock's acquaintance told the FBI, "was not treating Paddock well because a player of his status should have been in a higher floor in a penthouse suite."
Also, free version on yahoo; https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-mandalay-bay-shooter-las-201931565.html
sdforbda t1_jee380c wrote
So, just speculation from one guy?
YourUncleBuck OP t1_jee4q2i wrote
From the story;
>A trove of documents recently released by the Federal Bureau of Investigation show that the shooter who killed 58 people at a Las Vegas concert in 2017 was "very upset" about how casinos were treating him.
>The documents provide the strongest indication yet of a motive for the deadliest mass shooting in modern American history.
I posted the previous quote because of how entitled and out of touch the guy seemed, which is inline with this sub. Like imagine killing 58 people because your room wasn't on a higher floor.
_smooth_talker_ t1_jee8sob wrote
This is very implausible.
Fetlocks_Glistening t1_jee3h2r wrote
I mean, if you've got that sort of money, surely there's many other ways and places one could find to enjoy life and status, rather than going berserk??
Rosebunse t1_jef983d wrote
Especially in Vegas. There are so many clubs, prostitutes, places to eat.
speedloafer t1_jeesx7z wrote
He claimed to a professional gambler who "preferred playing video poker". I thought professional gamblers need an edge. How are you getting an edge on Video poker? There is no skill in pressing a button, its just RNG. Like all slots, its just down to pure luck that you are at the winning machine. No?
zaphrous t1_jefc3km wrote
I know a guy who said he made 6 figures playing video poker. He would play small amounts but in like 10 different games simultaneously. So he was just generally outplayed average people for small amounts of money because he knew basic odds.
Numerous_Vegetable_3 t1_jeghfsm wrote
Yep most people that actually make money from it are playing 4+ games simultaneously.
Hector_P_Catt t1_jefch39 wrote
Sounds like the guy was pretty delusional for a long time. He said he'd been "making a lot of money" gambling, but then his accounts went from about 2 million to about 500K over the course of a couple of years. Not the signs of someone really in touch with reality.
Gederix t1_jefbyej wrote
Are you really a professional gambler if you gamble $950,000 and win 4k? Or just an idiot with money?
bryan_pieces t1_jeenemt wrote
Damn I forgot it was 58 people. How awful.
heroini t1_jeevf41 wrote
EnriqueShockwave10 t1_jefea0w wrote
They know that Paddock also rented a room overlooking Lollapalooza in Chicago. There's evidence that he was considering other locations, not just casinos. Doesn't make sense that this was just a vendetta because a casino didn't comp him a penthouse.
This seems like a very weak motive theory to cover the fact that authorities haven't people able to come up with any answers in 6 years. So much about this case is so weird.
Slampumpthejam t1_jegd2tm wrote
Nah doesn't line up. What makes a lot more sense is be was a right wing nutjob.
>>Did the FBI Downplay the Far-Right Politics of Las Vegas Shooter Stephen Paddock?
>Paddock appeared fixated on three pillars of right-wing extremism: anti-government conspiracy theories, threats to Second Amendment rights, and overly burdensome taxes. For instance, one witness told Las Vegas police that Paddock was “kind of fanatical” about his anti-government conspiracies and that he believed someone had to “wake up the American public” and get them to arm themselves in response to looming threats. Family members and associates of Paddock painted a picture of a man who loathed restrictions on gun ownership and believed that the Second Amendment was under siege, according to our review of their statements to investigators after the shooting and other documents compiled by the authorities.
https://theintercept.com/2020/09/22/stephen-paddock-las-vegas-shooting-far-right/
>But tantalizingly, people who encountered Paddock before his shooting say that he expressed conspiratorial, anti-government beliefs, which are characteristic of the far right.
>In a handwritten statement, one woman says she sat near Paddock in a diner just a few days before the shooting, while out with her son. She said she heard him and a companion discussing the 25th anniversary of the Ruby Ridge standoff and the Waco siege. (Each of these incidents became touchstones for a rising anti-government militia movement in the 1990s.)
>She says she heard him and his companion saying that courtroom flags with golden fringes are not real flags. The belief that gold-fringed flags are those of a foreign jurisdiction, or “admiralty flags”, is characteristic of so-called “sovereign citizens”, who believe, among other things, that the current US government, and its laws, are illegitimate.
>“At the time,” her statement says, “I thought, ‘Strange guys’ and wanted to leave.”
>Another man, himself currently in jail, says he met Paddock three weeks before the shooting for an abortive firearms transaction, in the carpark of a Bass Pro Shop. The man was selling schematic diagrams for an auto sear, a device that would convert semi-automatic weapons to full automatic fire. Paddock asked him to make the device for him, and the man refused.
>At this point Paddock launched into a rant about “anti-government stuff … Fema camps”. Paddock said that the evacuation of people by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (Fema) after Hurricane Katrina was a a “dry run for law enforcement and military to start kickin’ down doors and ... confiscating guns”. “Somebody has to wake up the American public and get them to arm themselves,” the man says Paddock told him. “Sometimes sacrifices have to be made.
Numerous_Vegetable_3 t1_jegjj9p wrote
> “Somebody has to wake up the American public and get them to arm themselves,” the man says Paddock told him. “Sometimes sacrifices have to be made.
Trying to "inspire americans to arm themselves" by giving the gov a perfect reason to pass gun legislation is the dumbest plan I could think of. Maybe he was truly that dumb, but I don't think anybody would come to that conclusion.
What he did gave the opposite energy to the country, it inspired people to want to ban guns and even an idiot would be able to think about that before doing it.
"Toward the end of the 1980s, Paddock worked for three years as an internal auditor for a company that later merged to form Lockheed Martin."
Someone that worked for one of the largest defense contractors in America would be able to put together a much better "plan" to get americans inspired to own guns. That personal tie itself is strange and makes me wonder.
RoyChavelle t1_jegn0a5 wrote
This dude killed 60 people and you’re trying to give him credit for logic? C’mon dawg.
RockyMountainHigh- t1_jeerueo wrote
So another good guy with a gun that went bad. If only we had some way to know this. Like a crystal ball or magic 8 ball.
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The_Magic_8Ball_Says t1_jegdoky wrote
It is decidedly so.
ChastityDion t1_jefjpvd wrote
This is so stupid.
I had a horrible experience with Etsy recently, but that doesn’t mean I have the desire to go shoot up a Michael’s Craft Store for reparations…
PupperMartin74 t1_jegm3go wrote
Pure bullshit from FBI. They had to come up with something that wasn't poltical and this was the best they could apparently.
PupperMartin74 t1_jegm6c1 wrote
Pure bullshit from FBI. They had to come up with something that wasn't poltical and this was the best they could apparently.
Rosebunse t1_jef9hpg wrote
I don't understand. I really don't. I'm not saying to kill anyone, but why not go after the actual execs? Why go after innocent people? Again, Im not saying you should kill anyone, but it would make more sense. Fuck, why not just not gamble? Why not just go buy a nice dinner, hire some prostitutes, and have a nice life? Why ruin everything?
Applewave t1_jefntpk wrote
...its almost like a mass murder doesn't think like a normal person!
Numerous_Vegetable_3 t1_jeghzf7 wrote
But the FBI behavioral analysis unit can still put together reasonable motives for the most fucked-up serial killers and spree-killers out there, and they have for years.
They came out and basically said "yeah we got no clue", and that's fuckin weird.
I understand that some people just go nuts, but we can still figure out what drove them to that point. Them having nothing for a case on this scale is very unusual.
Severe-Cookie693 t1_jeg417j wrote
We have no reason to think that at all. If the motive doesn’t make sense, then it’s probably not accurate. We just don’t know what his motive was.
Supermichael777 t1_jeff11u wrote
Oh and he also idolized Timothy McVeigh and Hitler.
BirdsbirdsBURDS t1_jeffjua wrote
I feel like this is even a stretch, because if the dude hated the casino, why not just go berserk in the casino itself? If he wanted to destroy the reputation of the casino in a hail of fire and bullets, most even partially rational individual would have targeted the people who wronged them directly, rather than just smashing a window and shooting at a crowd in another venue.
I feel like this is some half assed excuse/explanation for a random act of violence using a gun that injured and killed so many people.
All we really know is that the guy brought an arsenal to a hotel, then killed 58 people and himself without hardly a word.
In a world of gun violence where kids get killed all the time, it’s easier to dig into a gun mans life and pull out instances of bullying, jealousy, and anger towards others as precursors to violence, but random acts like this make it so hard for gun right activists to say that it’s these people who “we should have saw coming” that are the problem, rather than having gun laws so lax that nearly anyone can get a gun within days or even hours of deciding they want one.
Downtown_Tadpole_817 t1_jefqzpc wrote
So this asshole gets booted from a casino and thinks "Let's shoot a bunch of people unrelated to the casino!" What a waste of DNA. His daddy should have shot him into a sock and saved us all the pain.
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Schiffy94 t1_jeh2hu0 wrote
So... not even about gambling debt. Just about... the ban policy?
Gmaleron t1_jee10ay wrote
What a Load of crap, you're telling me he had issues with the Casinos yet only busted out a window and did no other damage or harmed any Casino employees? Makes sense if you're gullible or just stupid.